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Obama continues his vacation in Hawaii while Missouri drowns in flood waters

stonewall50 said:
UP. OUT. Anywhere that isn't BELOW WATER LEVEL! How about simply ABOVE sea level?

How many busses does the city of New Orleans have? How many cruisers and cabs? Furthermore...don't you think they could have ordered it sooner? Don't give me the "you can't evacuate anywhere." They got 80% or so out. And the worst problem was from flooding. I live in Florida man. I have no pity for lack of hurricane preparedness. I have a plan every time I need one, and I expect nothing less from the government of a city.
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you failed to answer that one question
evacuate to where, exactly?
 
justabubba said:
and do you believe if Obama shows up it will cause the waters to part
if the federal response is appropriate, then why does Obama need to be present to micromanage the fed activities
has the federal response been inadequate; then share with us in what ways
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Deflect all you want - this thread isn't about President Obama, it's about the media treatment of one President who's Republican and not supported by them and one President who's a Democrat and created by them. In both cases, this is a couple of days after the initial stages of the tragedy and Bush was crucified for his flyover and Obama gets a pass while golfing and gorging.

As I said previously, if you don't see the bias I can't help you see it.
 
beefheart said:
No, you started the damned thread. You are just itching for something to happen so you can blame the president. How pathetic is that?

He is not running in the next election, and he can stop renting space in your head and you can fixate on someone else. ODS
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Thread is not about Obama, it's about the media.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Deflect all you want - this thread isn't about President Obama, it's about the media treatment of one President who's Republican and not supported by them and one President who's a Democrat and created by them. In both cases, this is a couple of days after the initial stages of the tragedy and Bush was crucified for his flyover and Obama gets a pass while golfing and gorging.

As I said previously, if you don't see the bias I can't help you see it.
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the difference in media response is directly proportional to the difference in federal response to the two disasters
 
reinoe said:
So what? Emergency Disasters can strike at any time at any place especially in a state with as many diverse environments as the U.S. I'm sure this is something you don't understand as a Canadian since the closest thing you have to a national disaster is a rude Quebecois or a rampaging sasquatch terrorizing a hamlet but here in the U.S. we have these things happen all the time. Not only should the media not say boo, they shouldn't say boo hoo either. This isn't even worthy of feigned concern.
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Your fellow Americans in Missouri and surrounding States thank you for your empathy. And I congratulate you for being first in with the xenophobic ridicule - always a sure sign that an argument I've made has been won.
 
beefheart said:
Canada, the Queen's footstool.
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Your surrender is noted. As with the poster above, I always know when a liberal has lost an argument because they either start calling me a racist or ridicule my country. Well done.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Thread is not about Obama, it's about the media.
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Baloney...nice try.

Its obvious that you don't give a rat's a%% about the flooding, you just are itching to whine about Obama being in Hawaii (where he was born) and on vacation (which he is allowed to have..and has had considerably less than his modern counterparts).

Congrats, in the floods, you got a device by which you could show faux concern and have a chance to criticize the president.

So transparent of you.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Bull****.

Outline the differences two days out from the initial event.
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one was a federal fubar

the other is not

from the media response, i bet you can figure out which is which
 
CanadaJohn said:
Your surrender is noted. As with the poster above, I always know when a liberal has lost an argument because they either start calling me a racist or ridicule my country. Well done.
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I know when a conservative loses an argument....they start a stupid envy thread about the president being on vacation.

I thought Canadians had a sense of humor....I guess my jibe just hit you deeply.
 
justabubba said:
you failed to answer that one question
evacuate to where, exactly?
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So there needs to be a specific location? Do you not understand how hurricanes work? Or how the United States works? It isn't like you need a specific location. Just away from the area that is going to be hit the hardest and so on.

I DID answer your question. You just don't like the answer.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Your surrender is noted. As with the poster above, I always know when a liberal has lost an argument because they either start calling me a racist or ridicule my country. Well done.
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Ironic huh? Party of tolerance being bigoted towards Canada.
 
stonewall50 said:
Ironic huh? Party of tolerance being bigoted towards Canada.
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I don't belong to a party....not bigoted towards Canada, my heritage goes back a few hundred years in Canada.

OP can't take a joke, but sure can start another Obama Derangement Syndrome envy thread.

Same as it ever was.
 
stonewall50 said:
You know what is funny... I live in a state that is prone to hurricanes, and yet I don't recall any truly bad screw ups from FEMA. Do you know why? Because my state understands that we will be hit by hurricanes. We are prepared every single year. So when it comes to relying on FEMA to wipe out ass in a hurricane? Not really something we need.

You realize how big a screw up the city of New Orleans had when they failed to properly prepare and enact their plans? Never mind it was built under water, but the fact that they didn't evacuate in time either? Come on man.

To blame Bush for the failure to prepare of local governments along a coast that WILL be hit by hurricanes is hilarious.
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I can vouch for that. Also living in a state on the southern gulf coast. I have been through more hurricanes and tropical storms then I can accurately recall. Everyone who lives here knows that first responders are state and local Other then sending in the Coast Guard any quick assistance from the feds requires co-operation between the local government, the state, and the federal government. In the aftermath of Katrina....Bush quickly received that cooperation from Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida....Unfortunately not with Louisiana. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin's most shameful and catastrophic failure was not setting an evacuation order in progress in a timely manner. They did not need Bush for that.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I can vouch for that. Also living in a state on the southern gulf coast. I have been through more hurricanes and tropical storms then I can accurately recall. Everyone who lives here knows that first responders are state and local Other then sending in the Coast Guard any quick assistance from the feds requires co-operation between the local government, the state, and the federal government. In the aftermath of Katrina....Bush quickly received that cooperation from Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida....Unfortunately not with Louisiana. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin's most shameful and catastrophic failure was not setting an evacuation order in progress in a timely manner. They did not need Bush for that.
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Correct. And it is extraordinarily simple. And it is one thing for New York or New Jersey to botch handling a hurricane. They don't expect them up there (but should). Anyone along the gulf or the southern United States Atlantic coast should.
 
justabubba said:
one question
evacuate to where, exactly?
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Are you serious????? Every hurricane prone area has predesignated evacuation routes that are clearly marked. And it is also common to direct both sides of the insterstates to the outgoing direction to speed up the evacuations.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Again - you miss the point of the thread. I DIDN'T CRITICIZE OBAMA, I CRITICIZED THE MEDIA - GOT IT NOW!!
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I talked about the media twice. So try reading my post before getting unhinged.

The media hasn't done anything wrong, because Obama hasn't done anything wrong as of yet. So this is still bogus.
 
stonewall50 said:
Ironic huh? Party of tolerance being bigoted towards Canada.
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Yep...that same Canada that graciously offered so many Americans refuge in their homes in the aftermath of 9/11/01 when all commerical and private flights were grounded.
 
beefheart said:
Here's the funny thing: If the president cut his vacation short and traveled to Missouri, the same whiners would complain that he is doing it only to get publicity, and that he really didn't care.

So nice to be able to adjust the ODS into any situation or outcome.
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Perhaps they were just hoping the President would show a little more effort than he has whown for the survivors of Hurricane Sandy.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm curious. Where's the media outcry and criticism of President Obama continuing his vacation in Hawaii while dozens of people have died in storms this past week and thousands of people have been evacuated and dozens have lost their lives in floodwaters in Missouri?
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First of all, Obama already has pledged federal aid. National Guard is already operating in the affected areas, too.
Obama pledges federal help for Midwest flooding | FOX2now.com


Second, floods are pretty routine in the Midwest. While this flood is devastating for those families, the reality is that these floods are not extraordinary, and are nowhere near the same level of devastation as Katrina. This is a flood affecting a relatively small section of mostly rural areas; Katrina was a hurricane that devastated several states and flooded several major metropolitan areas.

Unless St. Louis gets completely inundated, there is no reason for Obama to get personally involved.

Third, Obama already showed his abilities and attentiveness with Sandy. The federal government and Obama personally were right there, working with locals (including a Republican governor), giving them what they needed, and getting the job done. That's also what we are seeing here, even if we don't have the now-iconic flyover.


President Bush gets slaughtered for his "flyover" of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and blamed for deaths and destruction there and President Obama enjoys playing golf and is feted with Hawaiian cuisine while Missourians suffer.
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President Bush got pilloried, because the federal government completely and utterly screwed up with Katrina. They were caught flat-footed, and did not prepare sufficiently in advance; FEMA was run by an incompetent crony; they did not step in when the local government asked for aid. (We should note that local officials were hardly exculpated for their own failures and incompetence.)

Bush 43's flyover was not the fundamental issue. Rather, it was emblematic of the profound ineptitude, and lack of concern, shown by his administration for the citizens affected by Katrina.

Or, to put it another way: Obama and his administration is more prepared and effective at disaster management while he's on vacation, than Bush 43 was when he was actively on the job.
 
stonewall50 said:
Correct. And it is extraordinarily simple. And it is one thing for New York or New Jersey to botch handling a hurricane. They don't expect them up there (but should). Anyone along the gulf or the southern United States Atlantic coast should.
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Yep....in my state they set plans in motion the moment they get a hurricane warning. Supplies and emergency response is staged and ready.
 
Perhaps the media learned their lesson after Katrina and not so quick to point the finger icorrectly this time. Isn't that what people wanted? You don't like that they blamed Bush so they should mess up again and blame Obama?
 
Visbek said:
First of all, Obama already has pledged federal aid. National Guard is already operating in the affected areas, too.
Obama pledges federal help for Midwest flooding | FOX2now.com


Second, floods are pretty routine in the Midwest. While this flood is devastating for those families, the reality is that these floods are not extraordinary, and are nowhere near the same level of devastation as Katrina. This is a flood affecting a relatively small section of mostly rural areas; Katrina was a hurricane that devastated several states and flooded several major metropolitan areas.

Unless St. Louis gets completely inundated, there is no reason for Obama to get personally involved.

Third, Obama already showed his abilities and attentiveness with Sandy. The federal government and Obama personally were right there, working with locals (including a Republican governor), giving them what they needed, and getting the job done. That's also what we are seeing here, even if we don't have the now-iconic flyover.



President Bush got pilloried, because the federal government completely and utterly screwed up with Katrina. They were caught flat-footed, and did not prepare sufficiently in advance; FEMA was run by an incompetent crony; they did not step in when the local government asked for aid. (We should note that local officials were hardly exculpated for their own failures and incompetence.)

Bush 43's flyover was not the fundamental issue. Rather, it was emblematic of the profound ineptitude, and lack of concern, shown by his administration for the citizens affected by Katrina.

Or, to put it another way: Obama and his administration is more prepared and effective at disaster management while he's on vacation, than Bush 43 was when he was actively on the job.
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You lack the foggiest clue about responses to Katrina. The catastrophic failures were state and local. The president cannot and does not come in as "Mighty Mouse" to save the day.
 
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