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Obama continues his vacation in Hawaii while Missouri drowns in flood waters

This is massive embarrassing hypocrisy for the lefties around here. CJ is doing a great job rubbing their faces in it. :thumbs:
 

As usual you're Johnny on the Spot to be hypocritical over Bush. Yes, Mr Conservative, protect Obama even though the hypocrisy is massive and obvious. Briefings don't mean ****; why isn't he there personally making **** happen. This was expected of Bush.
 
That's funny, since liberals didn't hold the Democrat Governor of Louisiana nor the Democrat Mayor of New Orleans responsible for what was happening in New Orleans after Katrina - they and their media pimps went straight for the jugular with President Bush and defined his Presidency on that issue.

Your hypocrisy and deflection is duly noted and dismissed.

Morning CJ.
The left always operates on double standards. Why have one standard when you can have two?

Our media is to blame for Bush being demonized over Katrina even though it was the incompetence of the Democrat governor and that dingbat Democrat mayor of New Orleans. It isn't an accident or an oversight that when the media reports a derogatory story whether in print or live broadcast on a Democrat politician, they conveniently omit his party affiliation. And if they do mention it in print it's paragraphs down in the article. But if it is a Republican, the reader is made known immediately in the first paragraph.

Katrina occurred in 2005 and the horrific devastation played out the entire year leading up to a huge mid-term election in 2006. All House of Representatives seats and one third of the Senate seats were contested in this election. There were 36 state governorships, many state legislatures, four territorial legislatures and many state and local races. The election resulted in a massive victory for the Democrats which captured control of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and won a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party. The media with its coverage of Katrina painted Bush and his administration as incompetent in his handling of the flood as well as other things. There was a negative story just about every evening where Bush and Republicans in general were at fault. This played to benefit Democrats in the upcoming election from Congress down to local races. Like Rahm Emanuel once said, "never let a crisis go to waste". However, it has since been determined the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the designers and builders of the levee system in New Orleans as mandated by the Flood Control Act of 1965 is responsible for the levee failures due to a decision to use shorter steel sheet pilings in an effort to save money. If they want to blame a president, they should blame LBJ and his Democrat majority in Congress who passed the Flood Control Act. Prior to 1965, the state of Louisiana designed and built its flood protection through its levee boards. After Hurricane Betsy, Congress gave control of the flood protection to the US Army Corps of Engineers in the Act which called for a flood protection system to protect south Louisiana. The federal government was to be responsible for 70% of the cost and Louisiana 30%. When Katrina hit in 2005, the project had been on going for 40 years and still wasn't completed and later to find out it's design of the levees was inadequate. So there's a stellar example of what big government gets you.

I'll never forget the picture of an entire fleet of school buses in New Orleans sitting in a parking lot flooded while so many people were stranded. It is said that over 1800 people died due to Katrina.

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As usual you're Johnny on the Spot to be hypocritical over Bush. Yes, Mr Conservative, protect Obama even though the hypocrisy is massive and obvious. Briefings don't mean ****; why isn't he there personally making **** happen. This was expected of Bush.

President Bush had many of the same conversations with all the Gulf States that were in the path of Katrina before the hurricane hit and shortly thereafter. The difference is that Haley Barbour in Mississippi and Jeb Bush in Florida, both Republicans, readily agreed to let the federal government take the lead in security and assistance in those states and Kathleen Blanco, the Democrat Governor in Louisiana, refused to do so and when the **** hit the fan in New Orleans, President Bush got blamed for Blanco's incompetence and it was the national liberal media that led the charge.
 
Morning CJ.
The left always operates on double standards. Why have one standard when you can have two?

Our media is to blame for Bush being demonized over Katrina even though it was the incompetence of the Democrat governor and that dingbat Democrat mayor of New Orleans. It isn't an accident or an oversight that when the media reports a derogatory story whether in print or live broadcast on a Democrat politician, they conveniently omit his party affiliation. And if they do mention it in print it's paragraphs down in the article. But if it is a Republican, the reader is made known immediately in the first paragraph.

Katrina occurred in 2005 and the horrific devastation played out the entire year leading up to a huge mid-term election in 2006. All House of Representatives seats and one third of the Senate seats were contested in this election. There were 36 state governorships, many state legislatures, four territorial legislatures and many state and local races. The election resulted in a massive victory for the Democrats which captured control of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and won a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party. The media with its coverage of Katrina painted Bush and his administration as incompetent in his handling of the flood as well as other things. There was a negative story just about every evening where Bush and Republicans in general were at fault. This played to benefit Democrats in the upcoming election from Congress down to local races. Like Rahm Emanuel once said, "never let a crisis go to waste". However, it has since been determined the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the designers and builders of the levee system in New Orleans as mandated by the Flood Control Act of 1965 is responsible for the levee failures due to a decision to use shorter steel sheet pilings in an effort to save money. If they want to blame a president, they should blame LBJ and his Democrat majority in Congress who passed the Flood Control Act. Prior to 1965, the state of Louisiana designed and built its flood protection through its levee boards. After Hurricane Betsy, Congress gave control of the flood protection to the US Army Corps of Engineers in the Act which called for a flood protection system to protect south Louisiana. The federal government was to be responsible for 70% of the cost and Louisiana 30%. When Katrina hit in 2005, the project had been on going for 40 years and still wasn't completed and later to find out it's design of the levees was inadequate. So there's a stellar example of what big government gets you.

I'll never forget the picture of an entire fleet of school buses in New Orleans sitting in a parking lot flooded while so many people were stranded. It is said that over 1800 people died due to Katrina.

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Thanks for that history - you didn't hear any of that in the news following Katrina nor in any of the media analysis. It was, for me, somewhat comforting that the Mayor of "Chocolate City" ended up in prison and Governor Blanco got turfed too.
 
staying was a gamble
which turned out to be deadly for many
who were also the poor

and because they were poor, they were dependent upon government assistance to get them to safety
and government failed them
the buses were available
but no safe destination to transport them to

So they had the ability to move them...

But in your mind it is the fault of someone else who didn't have the resources there at the time to move them?

I never have a location in mind when I have an evacuation plan. It is simply: get out from behind the fan.

But I do love the liberal mentality that they deserved to die because the nanny state didn't tell them exactly where to go. Instead of the local government loading them up and stopping at the first place out of the danger zone.
 
So they had the ability to move them...

But in your mind it is the fault of someone else who didn't have the resources there at the time to move them?

I never have a location in mind when I have an evacuation plan. It is simply: get out from behind the fan.

But I do love the liberal mentality that they deserved to die because the nanny state didn't tell them exactly where to go. Instead of the local government loading them up and stopping at the first place out of the danger zone.

notice that you were in a position to move yourself
and the means to care for your family, regardless where safe haven may have been

these folks were without that means. they were dependent upon being bused to safety. don't think their drivers had the wallet to cover their needs once they arrived 'anywhere'
you post as if they should have been hauled out of new orleans and dumped in some vacant woods selected along the way
with that approach, FEMA employment is not in your future ... unless jeb! is elected
 
While I agree that there is a certain hypocrisy in the way the OP is demonstrated, I have never personally faulted a President for taking vacation during a holiday to visit their home.
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notice that you were in a position to move yourself
and the means to care for your family, regardless where safe haven may have been

Just like the LOCAL GOV was in the position to move people. You keep thinking I am trying to place myself in comparison with the people who didn't have the means other than their 2 feet. I'm not. I'm stating that if I as a private citizen with no resources could come up with the very simple solution of MOVING...that there is not one single excuse the government can provide to excuse their lack of doing so.


QUOTE]these folks were without that means. they were dependent upon being bused to safety. don't think their drivers had the wallet to cover their needs once they arrived 'anywhere'
you post as if they should have been hauled out of new orleans and dumped in some vacant woods selected along the way
with that approach, FEMA employment is not in your future ... unless jeb! is elected[/QUOTE]

Had those people been shipped out of the danger zone and dumped off...they might have survived. Period. The fact is: they didn't even have to be kicked off the bus. A destination could have been coordinated en route. The city could have cooperated with the state and evacuated people much sooner.

There is no excuse. And they should have been ready before Katrina was in existence. But they weren't my period.
 
No, the media bias is evident. President Bush, following Katrina, was slaughtered in the media for not immediately ending his August vacation in Crawford Texas and returning to the White House. Two days later, when the flooding became apparent and catastrophic, he cut his vacation short and flew back on Air Force One to Washington and on the way the plane flew over the disaster area so the President could get an aerial view of the situation. The media, on Air Force One, took a picture of President Bush looking out one of the plane's windows at the ground below and established a narrative that the President wasn't concerned about the situation and only flew over. They juxtaposed his look out the window with people standing on houses waiting to be rescued.

I still haven't seen any similar media clamouring for President Obama to cut his vacation short to return to Washington to deal with the situation nor any pictures of President Obama on the golf course juxtaposed with people in Missouri in distress. More than 20 people have died in the flooding in Missouri alone - over 50 total in the area - and that number could rise substantially and there are well over a million people affected in the area, far more than in New Orleans. It appears, however, that local officials in Missouri were and are better prepared for the situation and have evacuation plans. The people of New Orleans were left with an incompetent Democrat Mayor and an incompetent Democrat Governor who both did precious little before and after the advent of Katrina hitting land and the media immediately and completely went to President Bush to lay blame for the disaster and the deaths. That's media bias.

Well, there you have. That part in bold is your answer as to why Pres. Obama didn't cut his vacation short. If the Governor of any given state has things under control, why does he or she need the POTUS to return to hold their hand? The VP can run interference and coordinate actions from the WH in his stead.

As for the media bias, if this is as you claim it is - that the media isn't playing this natural disaster up and all but demanding that Pres. Obama cut his vacation short and return to deal with it - then why aren't you complaining to your local media about it since it's the media's fault? I'm just curious because you say it's media bias on the one hand but continue to inject politics into the matter turning it into a Left -vs- Right thing. So, what exactly are you really upset about? That the media didn't cover the issue as you'd like or that a Democrat President didn't stop what he was doing just to suit your will?
 
The Mississippi just flooded in 1993 killing 32 people. I remember it because it delayed our train a couple of times. It wasn't too bad but still a major flooding event of the Mississippi.

Hi, roguenuke

I trust you arrived at your destination safe and sound, and that you managed to avoid this current flooding event.
 
Hi, roguenuke

I trust you arrived at your destination safe and sound, and that you managed to avoid this current flooding event.

Still here, although had I not gone on the trip with my mother, grandmother, and great aunt, they were going to go on this train:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Big_Bayou_Canot_train_wreck

My mother decided at the start of the summer to take me with her, which meant moving the trip to July rather than September as she had originally planned. That was the main train route we were on. During our trip, we had multiple issues with engine problems, but also had multiple delays due to the train hitting several different trucks between FL and New Orleans where we got on, as well as having to wait for the other half of our train, which was coming from Chicago and delayed due to the flooding.

The flooding did take some lives though, although the accident after had nothing to do with the flooding but rather faulty bridges and other incidents coming together in an unfortunate incident.
 
I'm curious. Where's the media outcry and criticism of President Obama continuing his vacation in Hawaii while dozens of people have died in storms this past week and thousands of people have been evacuated and dozens have lost their lives in floodwaters in Missouri?

Missouri news:

Deadly, rare winter flood slams Missouri - CBS News

Obama news:

President Obama's Hawaiian vacation continues with luau on Oahu' - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

President Bush gets slaughtered for his "flyover" of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and blamed for deaths and destruction there and President Obama enjoys playing golf and is feted with Hawaiian cuisine while Missourians suffer.

Spot on. I don't begrudge Obama his vacation at all. He is as entitled to it as anyone else and I'm glad to see him take it (even though like all Presidents he can't take a vacation away from work like the rest of us do). What I can't stand is the difference between the way the adoring media treats him and the way they skewered Bush.
 
Well, there you have. That part in bold is your answer as to why Pres. Obama didn't cut his vacation short. If the Governor of any given state has things under control, why does he or she need the POTUS to return to hold their hand? The VP can run interference and coordinate actions from the WH in his stead.

As for the media bias, if this is as you claim it is - that the media isn't playing this natural disaster up and all but demanding that Pres. Obama cut his vacation short and return to deal with it - then why aren't you complaining to your local media about it since it's the media's fault? I'm just curious because you say it's media bias on the one hand but continue to inject politics into the matter turning it into a Left -vs- Right thing. So, what exactly are you really upset about? That the media didn't cover the issue as you'd like or that a Democrat President didn't stop what he was doing just to suit your will?

Media bias refers to politics - left vs right - I thought most people understood that simple fact.

The comments in the OP are plain and the connection is apparent to anyone honestly reviewing the two situations. The majority, left wing media, hated Bush - that same media created Obama. The bias in the treatment of the two men and their handling of similar situations is evident. In fact, had San Bernadino happened while President Bush was still President, the media would have crucified him for not keeping America safe, particularly since the wife wasn't properly screened before entering the US. Obama's administration has basically been left out of the discussion.

That's media bias and that's the subject of this thread and this OP.
 
Still here, although had I not gone on the trip with my mother, grandmother, and great aunt, they were going to go on this train:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Big_Bayou_Canot_train_wreck

My mother decided at the start of the summer to take me with her, which meant moving the trip to July rather than September as she had originally planned. That was the main train route we were on. During our trip, we had multiple issues with engine problems, but also had multiple delays due to the train hitting several different trucks between FL and New Orleans where we got on, as well as having to wait for the other half of our train, which was coming from Chicago and delayed due to the flooding.

The flooding did take some lives though, although the accident after had nothing to do with the flooding but rather faulty bridges and other incidents coming together in an unfortunate incident.

Sounds like somebody's instincts kicked in at the right time.

Glad to hear you and yours made it through that situation safely and unharmed.
 
Spot on. I don't begrudge Obama his vacation at all. He is as entitled to it as anyone else and I'm glad to see him take it (even though like all Presidents he can't take a vacation away from work like the rest of us do). What I can't stand is the difference between the way the adoring media treats him and the way they skewered Bush.

They skewered Bush over Katrina because his administration ****ed up royally in its response to the disaster. Maybe that's where your confusion lies.
 
As usual you're Johnny on the Spot to be hypocritical over Bush. Yes, Mr Conservative, protect Obama even though the hypocrisy is massive and obvious. Briefings don't mean ****; why isn't he there personally making **** happen. This was expected of Bush.

Have some critique about the handling of the flood response?
 
I'm curious. Where's the media outcry and criticism of President Obama continuing his vacation in Hawaii while dozens of people have died in storms this past week and thousands of people have been evacuated and dozens have lost their lives in floodwaters in Missouri?

Missouri news:

Deadly, rare winter flood slams Missouri - CBS News

Obama news:

President Obama's Hawaiian vacation continues with luau on Oahu' - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

President Bush gets slaughtered for his "flyover" of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and blamed for deaths and destruction there and President Obama enjoys playing golf and is feted with Hawaiian cuisine while Missourians suffer.

Worth Remembering that this is a Trend for Obama.


Sorry folks in Mississippi and Louisiana - Obama doesn't have to look Presidential in order to beat Romney anymore, so..... screw you :)
 
Worth Remembering that this is a Trend for Obama.


Sorry folks in Mississippi and Louisiana - Obama doesn't have to look Presidential in order to beat Romney anymore, so..... screw you :)

Has his administration royally screwed up their support?
 
And poor Hillary...well, she needs her rest...maybe a few drugs...so she can get back on the campaign trail.

Like Obama, she doesn't care about American citizens.
 
Worth Remembering that this is a Trend for Obama.


Sorry folks in Mississippi and Louisiana - Obama doesn't have to look Presidential in order to beat Romney anymore, so..... screw you :)

As everyone here knows, I'm not a big fan of President Obama's tenure in the White House but I'll refrain from suggesting motive, as in "screw you" and perhaps chalk it up to responsibility fatigue - something he's appeared to me to have suffered from since the day he was first elected.

BTW, I'm not sure how the system attributed the OP post to me in your response here - curious.
 
As everyone here knows, I'm not a big fan of President Obama's tenure in the White House but I'll refrain from suggesting motive, as in "screw you" and perhaps chalk it up to responsibility fatigue - something he's appeared to me to have suffered from since the day he was first elected.

That is likely a better description. It doesn't interest him.
 
That is likely a better description. It doesn't interest him.

I just noticed that this is a thread I created last year regarding the Missouri flooding and I thought this was the Louisiana flooding thread. Didn't expect this one to be resurrected, but it is similar in content.
 
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