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How Jimmy Fallon Crushed Stephen Colbert (and Everyone Else in Late Night)

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Bill Carter: How Jimmy Fallon Crushed Stephen Colbert (and Everyone Else in Late Night) - Hollywood Reporter

Several theories have been floated as to why Colbert's opening splash seemed to dry faster than expected. One veteran late-night writer calls him a very funny guy doing a quality show, but "maybe too smart for a mass audience?" Another longtime producer says, simply, "He needs to be more commercial, more social media friendly."
Some speculate Republican viewers have tuned Colbert out, given his Colbert Report incarnation as a blowhard conservative. (A THR poll showed Colbert's audience is only 17 percent Republican, as opposed to 33 percent for Kimmel and 31 percent for Fallon.) Or it simply might be a case of a big talent trying to find footing on a new dance floor. Colbert placed an early emphasis on serious interviews, like his memorable exchange with Joe Biden, but the focus of late seems to be shifting away from talk and toward performance.
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Lol, Colbert is "too smart" for the audience and of course, blame the Republicans.
LOL.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Whenever did Colbert become a blowhard conservative?
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Not an actual Conservative, but rather that was the "character" he was playing of sorts. On the Colbert Report he basically played a hyperbolic "POE" Version of a Bill O'Riely type. An extremely over the top and exaggerated caricature of a conservative. I believe that's what the article is talking about.
 
The article is indeed terribly written. Pitting a first season show against an experienced veteran and claiming RATINGS SLIP! That's happened in every show in the history of time with rare exception. Overall it reads more like a writing project in which something had to be written and so it was done. There's no reason to centrally focus on Colbert v Jimmy Fallon when Jimmy Fallon is killing everyone. And even in the chart in the article Colbert is second in the 18-49 category. So again what's the point of the article except of fill magazine space? But of course kudos to Fallon for doing so well.
 
Dittohead not! said:
His Colbert Report incarnation as a blowhard conservative?

I must have missed that one. Whenever did Colbert become a blowhard conservative?
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Colbert has always been a blowhard liberal, masquerading as a blowhard conservative. Somewhat like the leading contender in the Republican nomination race this year.
 
Zyphlin said:
Not an actual Conservative, but rather that was the "character" he was playing of sorts. On the Colbert Report he basically played a hyperbolic "POE" Version of a Bill O'Riely type. An extremely over the top and exaggerated caricature of a conservative. I believe that's what the article is talking about.
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Oh, I see. It was a comedic parody then. Darn, I did miss it. It must have been pretty funny.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Colbert has always been a blowhard liberal, masquerading as a blowhard conservative. Somewhat like the leading contender in the Republican nomination race this year.
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You mean a funny and more intelligent Donald?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh, I see. It was a comedic parody then. Darn, I did miss it. It must have been pretty funny.
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I actually enjoyed it for the most part, but I can laugh at humor even if it's somewhat targeted at "me". Though admittedly, I think at times Colbert's presentation actually cut both ways...it often seemed simultaneously mocking the more crazy folks on the right side, while at the same time mocking those on the left who seem to view all/most conservatives as that kind of crazy. But then, good satire tends to actually skewer multiple angles as opposed to focusing in one direction, so it makes sense.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Pointing out that he has low numbers with Republicans is "blaming the republicans"? Where did you get this idea from because I'm just not seeing it.
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Some speculate Republican viewers have tuned Colbert out, given his Colbert Report incarnation as a blowhard conservative. (A THR poll showed Colbert's audience is only 17 percent Republican, as opposed to 33 percent for Kimmel and 31 percent for Fallon.)
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It's an implied blame republicans for not tuning into the "smart" Colbert. It's a journalistic technique. In this case, the line before talks about how "smart" Colbert is, then mentions Republican's aren't watching...
 
Renae said:
It's an implied blame republicans for not tuning into the "smart" Colbert. It's a journalistic technique. In this case, the line before talks about how "smart" Colbert is, then mentions Republican's aren't watching...
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The article isn't calling Colbert smart per se. It's pointing out that hes trying to interview politicians and do politics where as Jimmy Fallon is interviewing more celebrities and such.

But regardless, your argument is that they are blaming Republicans, because in a list of possible reasons as to why his audience is low, him being political more so than "more commercial" as they put it, is listed before they mention that his percent of Republican voters is lower than the other shows?

It seems as though you are stretching this premise quite thin Renae.
 
Renae said:
It's an implied blame republicans for not tuning into the "smart" Colbert. It's a journalistic technique. In this case, the line before talks about how "smart" Colbert is, then mentions Republican's aren't watching...
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To be fair, Republicans tend to tune out anything considered "smart", take science and history for example. Republicans have a well documented enmity for highter education.
 
reinoe said:
To be fair, Republicans tend to tune out anything considered "smart", take science and history for example. Republicans have a well documented enmity for highter education.
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Bwahahaha, good one, good laugh, way to liven up the thread with a silly jest.
 
So entertainment celebrities now reflect something meaningful about society?

I enjoyed Gilligan's Island over Mash. Does this make me less sophisticated? Perhaps I just found it more entertaining.
 
reinoe said:
To be fair, Republicans tend to tune out anything considered "smart", take science and history for example. Republicans have a well documented enmity for highter education.
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What a load of crap... Ever heard of Dennis Miller?
 
Renae said:
Bill Carter: How Jimmy Fallon Crushed Stephen Colbert (and Everyone Else in Late Night) - Hollywood Reporter



Lol, Colbert is "too smart" for the audience and of course, blame the Republicans.
LOL.
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"One veteran late-night writer calls him a very funny guy doing a quality show, but "maybe too smart for a mass audience?"
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I think maybe the problem with this Colbert show and his last Colbert show is that he thinks and acts like he's "too smart for a mass audience".
You're not supposed to do that because it's too easy to up on.
It's a Jonathan Gruber thing and the only thing missing is a video of Colbert saying he's too smart for everyone.
 
Iamjesus said:
So entertainment celebrities now reflect something meaningful about society?

I enjoyed Gilligan's Island over Mash. Does this make me less sophisticated? Perhaps I just found it more entertaining.
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Don't know about Gilligans' Island, but:

Study says kids who watch MASH Do better than 'Dukes' viewers

I remember another study that showed that viewing more than an hour a day of TV had a negative correlation with academic success, with the two exceptions being the evening news and MASH. Speculation is that it takes a good vocabulary to understand the humor in MASH. Could be the same with t he Colbert Report.

Dukes of Hazzard and Gilligan's Island don't require a lot of vocabulary or brain power.
 
Craig Kilborn tried to make the switch years ago and now is MIA. I really liked him on the Daily Show too...much better than Stewart imo.
 
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