Black lives matter bias

CycloneWanderer said:

You are conflating age, maturity and behavior. Just because their behavior is crass, irresponsible, offensive, and counter-productive in the view of a large segment of the population doesn't mean that the people who are advising these individuals to engage in these behaviors are not older or experienced. I would posit that there has to be some form of support that comes from people who are not young and not naïve. Those individuals, along with the media, are the enablers of this senseless movement.

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I am doing this. And, yes, it is wrong to say all young people act this way, but I'm not saying all young people act like this, only the majority of the BLM does.

From what I have seen from the BLM it is mostly young people who are "crass, irresponsible," etc... the videos of BLM protests prove this. And the CBS article even acknowledges they act inappropriately, but gives a ham fisted response for why it is ok.

BLM was created by young black college students after Trayvon Martin, and rose to prominence after Michael Brown. BLM is still largely ran and organized by college aged people, black and white.

Now for older, mature leaders in BLM, I haven't seen them. Most mature black protestors have their own protest and social movements that are trying to do good, but, sadly, have been overshadowed by BLM. As another poster has said. See 300 men march for an example, they are based in Baltimore (they might have other chapters) and have great ideas, but get no recognition.

Maybe there are older people in BLM, but if there are I doubt they have much control over the movement as a whole. There doesn't seem to be anything in the way of upper management in BLM. They just have isolated chapters that form mostly around college campuses. And at the protests not affiliated with colleges the BLM signs function more as a hashtag(#) on Twitter does than an actual movement with leaders.

Now as to BLM in the media. They are given so much air time because they are loud, offensive, and divisive. If they didn't raise hell no one would care. Just like no one cares about the 300 men march.

You can blame the media, but the fault lies with the majority of Americans who refuse to watch unbiased, legitimate news. The MSM is struggling to stay in the black as it is (at least newspaper wise) and if controversial, one-sided, partisan rhetoric is the only news people want to hear, then that's what they will get.

If they didn't get it from the MSM they will get it from alternative news sites online. It all boils down that watching the left and right duke it out in a winner take all battle is what people want. And unless people are educated properly BLM and hyper-partisan biased MSM is what we are going to get.

BretJ said:

Refer to post #109....

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You aren't allowed to do that either...

spreston said:

Now please, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't get me wrong. I have many colored friends...whom I hold in the highest regard.

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the Black Lives Matter campaign has been taken to far, it has even been polarized by its own creators (and news media). It's outrageous! The brave men and women who serve this country don't deserve to be lambasted on the whole... The Black Lives Matter movement made a huge, faulty generalization about American police officers. Yes, perhaps a few of our American officers have done wrong, but that is no reason assume all police officers are pointedly racist. Let's stop being so racially one-sided (all of us), we see a white officer shoot a black man—people are inherently outraged; then what about the when a black officer has shot a white man (there are many examples). Let's solve this and forgive eachother.

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Okay, uhhh. For starters, lets not say colored.

Past that, you're missing the point of the black lives matter movement. Some police officers are shooting and killing black guys brutally AND getting away with it scott-free as though the lives of the people they slaughtered did not matter, hence, #BlackLivesMatter
People do tend to overly generalize when using terms, but no one believes that all cops are corrupt; however, these cases of police violence go virtually unpunished at an alarmingly high rate, and specifically so in cases where unnecessary force is used to kill black people.

NearEDGE said:

Okay, uhhh. For starters, lets not say colored.

Past that, you're missing the point of the black lives matter movement. Some police officers are shooting and killing black guys brutally AND getting away with it scott-free as though the lives of the people they slaughtered did not matter, hence, #BlackLivesMatter
People do tend to overly generalize when using terms, but no one believes that all cops are corrupt; however, these cases of police violence go virtually unpunished at an alarmingly high rate, and specifically so in cases where unnecessary force is used to kill black people.

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What you say is true, and it is more prevalent with blacks. But cops will always look out for their own. If they shoot any unarmed person other cops will help cover them up.

The reason no one made noise about the killing of unarmed blacks is how nonchalantly young blacks kill each other. Young blacks being shot is so ubiquitous in inner cities that for years no one batted an eye when a cop shot one, everyone figured the young black was armed. This, obviously, doesn't condone a cover up, but explains why no one raised hell when a young black in Baltimore is shot by a cop, compared to a young white person in the suburbs.

I have a black friend that grew up in Baltimore, and his nephew was shot a couple days before thanksgiving. When I asked him why, he said "the shooter said he was on the wrong street." And a random person mistaken for the shooter was killed in retaliation a day later.

Many in the black community have said it best, "until black lives matter to black people there won't be any progress on race relations." The BLM refuses to even acknowledge the high murder rate amongst young, inner city blacks. How can we legitimately discuss the issue if we can't discuss the elephant in the room.

DLBoyd said:

What you say is true, and it is more prevalent with blacks. But cops will always look out for their own. If they shoot any unarmed person other cops will help cover them up.

The reason no one made noise about the killing of unarmed blacks is how nonchalantly young blacks kill each other. Young blacks being shot is so ubiquitous in inner cities that for years no one batted an eye when a cop shot one, everyone figured the young black was armed. This, obviously, doesn't condone a cover up, but explains why no one raised hell when a young black in Baltimore is shot by a cop, compared to a young white person in the suburbs.

I have a black friend that grew up in Baltimore, and his nephew was shot a couple days before thanksgiving. When I asked him why, he said "the shooter said he was on the wrong street." And a random person mistaken for the shooter was killed in retaliation a day later.

Many in the black community have said it best, "until black lives matter to black people there won't be any progress on race relations." The BLM refuses to even acknowledge the high murder rate amongst young, inner city blacks. How can we legitimately discuss the issue if we can't discuss the elephant in the room.

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You are largely missing the point. We cannot control what every individual citizen does. We cannot make people not be racist, we cannot make people not grow up to do bad things for bad reasons. We can however control our cops through proper legislation, the point of this is that a lot of black folks do not trust the police. They do not believe that the police are out to help them and believe that the police are systemically plotting against them, which in the long run keeps a lot of black people from properly integrating into society because a lot of them adopt the idea that the entire system(Not just the law) is stacked up against them.

There should be no one group of people who feel oppressed by them in particular, police response rates in mostly black communities on average are several times lower than in any other community in the US. While we may not be able to remove racism everywhere, we can at the very least remove the racism from our law enforcement as law enforcement are the people's protectors.

NearEDGE said:

You are largely missing the point. We cannot control what every individual citizen does. We cannot make people not be racist, we cannot make people not grow up to do bad things for bad reasons. We can however control our cops through proper legislation, the point of this is that a lot of black folks do not trust the police. They do not believe that the police are out to help them and believe that the police are systemically plotting against them, which in the long run keeps a lot of black people from properly integrating into society because a lot of them adopt the idea that the entire system(Not just the law) is stacked up against them.

There should be no one group of people who feel oppressed by them in particular, police response rates in mostly black communities on average are several times lower than in any other community in the US. While we may not be able to remove racism everywhere, we can at the very least remove the racism from our law enforcement as law enforcement are the people's protectors.

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I agree with, and support everything you just said. Most cops act like they are above the law, and there is a code amongst cops that they never rat each other out, and always cover each other's backs. IA units have obviously failed to end corruption in law enforcement.

I have known several cops, and socializad with them. They each drink and drive more than any other person I know. They know a cop would never arrest another cop for a dui.

With that being said, the BLM doesnt promote this as their agenda. I never see them raise any proposals, but only scream racism everywhere. You are correct that lowering the massive murder rate in inner cities is tough, but there are policy proposals BLM could raise.

1. To address police corruption create an independent organization to investigate and monitor the police.

2. All cops wear body cameras this organization reviews.

3. End mandatory minimum sentences. It takes away a judge's ability to use his own judgement.

4. End the 3 strike rule, same reason as above.

Last, and most important, policy is to end asset forfiture. This has caused more corruption and warped the behavior of cops than any other law.

For those who dont know, It allows cops to seize drug money without a warrant. So if you have a small amount of maijuana, and several thousand dollars when a cop pulls you over, he can take that money as evidence for drug trafficing.

The worst part is though, the police station keeps this money to spend as they see fit. So, this encourages cops to do drug busts (which usually involve people dying) and not to actually solve murders.

BLM raises none of these points. There was talk of body cameras after Ferguson, but that has largely faded. Read my earlier post about how BLM is immature and lacks responsible, adult leaders. And, also, that there are groups raising these points, but the MSM doesn't cover them.

The Black lives matter movement is a general protest of idealism. This is not a movement started by the people who have the ability to create proposals or reforms, but by the people themselves which is why it is so largely unorganized.
The point of the movement is to voice the concerns of the issue as boldly and loudly as possible in the hopes that Congress will formally address the issue, the way we have been asking them to do for decades. At this point in time we've had enough and are returning to protesting via social media and literal public protests, because sometimes that is the only thing politicians will respond to.

NearEDGE said:

The Black lives matter movement is a general protest of idealism. This is not a movement started by the people who have the ability to create proposals or reforms, but by the people themselves which is why it is so largely unorganized.
The point of the movement is to voice the concerns of the issue as boldly and loudly as possible in the hopes that Congress will formally address the issue, the way we have been asking them to do for decades. At this point in time we've had enough and are returning to protesting via social media and literal public protests, because sometimes that is the only thing politicians will respond to.

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Now that's a cop out. Protesting and being loud to get attention is one thing, but to say they can't form policy proposals is BS. Why protest when once you get the world's attention you don't say what you want, but just keep protesting. That's what children do.

Most of these protests are on college campuses. Take Yale, for example, that is one of the best colleges in the world, and they couldn't even have a legitimate debate over Halloween costumes. They just went out, protested, attacked a group of people attending a free speech forum, and called for people to be fired. Wait, they did suggest superficial changes to the names of buildings.

So, BLM protests to get attention, they have it now. But when people say to BLM what do you want? They just scream and holler racism, and call for people to be fired. That isn't a protest
movement, it's mob rule.

You said they are idealist. Well, an ideal, without a plan to achieve it, is a dream not a goal. BLM needs to lay out specific policy proposals. They have a website, and all the boons of social media to help organize their movement. They have got the attention, now it's time to say what they want.

If they can't coherently express what they want seen done, and only protest and scream racism, then they are an immature group that will never achieve anything.

DLBoyd said:

Now that's a cop out. Protesting and being loud to get attention is one thing, but to say they can't form policy proposals is BS. Why protest when once you get the world's attention you don't say what you want, but just keep protesting. That's what children do.

Most of these protests are on college campuses. Take Yale, for example, that is one of the best colleges in the world, and they couldn't even have a legitimate debate over Halloween costumes. They just went out, protested, attacked a group of people attending a free speech forum, and called for people to be fired. Wait, they did suggest superficial changes to the names of buildings.

So, BLM protests to get attention, they have it now. But when people say to BLM what do you want? They just scream and holler racism, and call for people to be fired. That isn't a protest
movement, it's mob rule.

You said they are idealist. Well, an ideal, without a plan to achieve it, is a dream not a goal. BLM needs to lay out specific policy proposals. They have a website, and all the boons of social media to help organize their movement. They have got the attention, now it's time to say what they want.

If they can't coherently express what they want seen done, and only protest and scream racism, then they are an immature group that will never achieve anything.

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The US People cannot pose a policy to the government themselves. That must be drafted and submitted by people in Congress. We cannot force them to do that specifically.
Also, there isn't a they. We're talking about a massive group of individuals connected by only one idea. There isn't some massive organization behind this whole movement. The people of America by large feel so passionately that they're willing to voice their concerns through peaceful protest.

Obviously, they can't submit the policy themselves. But they can talk about what they would like to see done, to help achieve their goals. The Congressional Black Caucus could propose the laws.

I, also, mentioned in a previous post how BLM functions more as a hashtag (#) does on Twitter than an actual movement.

The problem is, which you are going so far out of your way to admit, is that this disorganization results in mob rule for most of the protests. While BLM as a whole is largely seen as a a movement, whether you want to admit it or not. They have a website with grievances, and statistics. They have supporters on the news discussing said grievances.

Besides, what you are saying they are: a disorganized movement that has no leaders is the definition of a mob.

And the BLM practices mob justice. The president of Mizzou never got to tell his side of the story, he was just fired. The husband and wife at Yale were attacked for expressing their opinion, and there were calls for them to lose their jobs. The students in Dartmouth were verbally abused and spat on.

So, like I said. I support the core of what BLM stood for after Ferguson, although they chose the wrong paragon in Michael Brown. But BLM never developed mature, adult leadership. And, as a result, it is a mob that largely functions with impunity, and has done more to spread racism than end It. BLM set race relations back by a decade, at least.

spreston said:

Now please, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't get me wrong. I have many colored friends...whom I hold in the highest regard.

that being said...

the Black Lives Matter campaign has been taken to far, it has even been polarized by its own creators (and news media). It's outrageous! The brave men and women who serve this country don't deserve to be lambasted on the whole... The Black Lives Matter movement made a huge, faulty generalization about American police officers. Yes, perhaps a few of our American officers have done wrong, but that is no reason assume all police officers are pointedly racist. Let's stop being so racially one-sided (all of us), we see a white officer shoot a black man—people are inherently outraged; then what about the when a black officer has shot a white man (there are many examples). Let's solve this and forgive eachother.

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You sound just like Donald Trump who first says................"Jews are some of my bet friends" as a cover or some type of defense ......before he goes into his bigoted tirade of the entire group..............

spreston said:

Now please, PLEASE, PLEASE, don't get me wrong. I have many colored friends...whom I hold in the highest regard.

that being said...

the Black Lives Matter campaign has been taken to far, it has even been polarized by its own creators (and news media). It's outrageous! The brave men and women who serve this country don't deserve to be lambasted on the whole... The Black Lives Matter movement made a huge, faulty generalization about American police officers. Yes, perhaps a few of our American officers have done wrong, but that is no reason assume all police officers are pointedly racist. Let's stop being so racially one-sided (all of us), we see a white officer shoot a black man—people are inherently outraged; then what about the when a black officer has shot a white man (there are many examples). Let's solve this and forgive eachother.

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There is no need to tell us you have black friends. Most people do. It takes a deliberate act not to know any or be friends with them.

All lives matter, saying that only black lives matter suggests that oriental, and Caucasian lives do not. It's an absolute cry of racism. I'm not surprised.