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The Game Changer: Ted Cruz Demolished the Mainstream Media!

VanceMack said:
I think it can be easily ceded that Fox News is biased conservative. Would you accept that pretty much every single other media outlet in existence is biased liberal? NBC? CBS? MSNBC? ABC? CNN?
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Is this something new? No.
Who's won more election over the last few years? Reps.
Who controls congress? Reps.
Who votes? Anybody who wants to.
Who controls talk radio? Conservatives?
Who, for 13+ years dominates the news media? Conservatives.

Cry me a friggin river.

I'm so tired of anyone who loses an election blaming everything they can blame other than the outright obvious source.

The media is in business to make money. That's all. They don't exist to elect a specific candidate.

Some republicans win, and some don't. The ones that don't are usually so off-the-wall bonkers that it's laughable they were ever considered in the first place. It's got nothing to do with the media. It's the candidates themselves.
 
Kobie said:
The GOP has been engaging in the time-honored tradition of gaming the refs for quite some time. The incessant whining about how "duh librul meeja" is out to get them is really old by now, but it sure fires up the water carriers.
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:shrug: how many democrat debates are being held at FOX news, and moderated by people like Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, and Charles Krauthammer?

Roughly 7% of reporters are Republicans, and reporters overwhelmingly donate to and vote for Democrats. It is a dominant left field. That creates groupthink, with all that it entails.

Suggested Reading.
 
Dragonfly said:
Is this something new? No.
Who's won more election over the last few years? Reps.
Who controls congress? Reps.
Who votes? Anybody who wants to.
Who controls talk radio? Conservatives?
Who, for 13+ years dominates the news media? Conservatives.

Cry me a friggin river.

I'm so tired of anyone who loses an election blaming everything they can blame other than the outright obvious source.

The media is in business to make money. That's all. They don't exist to elect a specific candidate.

Some republicans win, and some don't. The ones that don't are usually so off-the-wall bonkers that it's laughable they were ever considered in the first place. It's got nothing to do with the media. It's the candidates themselves.
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So the short answer is yes...you concede as well that while Fox News is most decidedly conservative, virtually ALL OTHER major media outlets are liberal. At least you are honest about that. But to pretend that there isnt an impact with every other media source in existence blaring bias cranked to 11? Come on....
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: how many democrat debates are being held at FOX news, and moderated by people like Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, and Charles Krauthammer?

Roughly 7% of reporters are Republicans, and reporters overwhelmingly donate to and vote for Democrats. It is a dominant left field. That creates groupthink, with all that it entails.

Suggested Reading.
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Yes, there is "liberal bias." Waaaahhh.
 
rocket88 said:
I'm really finding the whining about the mainstream media to be tiring. How many cable systems is Fox on? Same number as CNN? How many stations is Limbaugh on? More than any liberal? Aren't they "mainstream" by now? Or are they not mainstream because they say they aren't?
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According to AdWeek, and other sources, the highest rated show on Fox News has an average viewership of less than 3 million viewers. That is the O'Reilly Factor.

Contrast that total number to ABC, CBS, or NBC News, which has an average combined nightly audience of over 20 million/night. Add in the numbers for CNN, MSNBC, etc., and the difference is beyond substantial. How many newspapers are there? How many websites like Huffington Post, Salon, Think Progress, etc., etc. exist?

The bias is real, and no matter the political persuasion, the actions of the Fourth Estate should be viewed as dangerous to all.
 
vesper said:
I'm not so sure. All the media has to do is drop a bug into people's ear about something unfounded and derogatory about a candidate and it can cause doubt in voters. And that is the game Trump is playing against his fellow candidates. If it is in the news about a Republican candidate whether it is true or not, you will find Trump repeating it at a rally, on twitter, phoning in on news programs, or in interviews. If you pay attention to him surely you have noticed how he deflects answering tough questions on policy by bringing up something to insult a fellow candidate. The media loves it.

The MSM are also very good at picking and choosing what stories they want to cover and when they want to cover them. Carson, Rubio and Fiorina are all polling well against Clinton. Before the last debate, Cruz when matched up against Clinton showing Clinton +7.5. This week the gap has tightened to +4.0 Clinton. There was also polling showing Carson the most trustworthy among the candidates and Clinton was the least trustworthy. So it is no surprise the MSM went after Carson on his credibility as he is beating Clinton in the polls for general election.

Rubio is beating Clinton too when matched head to head and it is no surprise the knives came out for Rubio starting with a rehash of his finances by a leftwing Florida newspaper that the MSM starting with the Washington Post picked up and it was repeated over and over again on just about every news source out there. Rubio responded by releasing all his papers and as they combed through them looking for a piece of dirt couldn't find any.

Fiorina is beating Clinton in the polls also. So it is no surprise that The View where Whoopi, Joyce and the gang mocked and made fun of her. And that too made national news. And what was missing in all this coverage? The policies and views of the candidates. And there was only one Republican candidate last week that jumped on board with the MSM to trash Carson, Rubio, and others. That was Trump. And ironically when he is put head to head with Clinton in a general election, he's the loser.

So whomever starts to climb in the polls and becomes a threat to Clinton, we can count on the MSM to try and tarnish them whether it be fact or fiction. And we can count on Trump joining in piling on too.
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I was reminded how dirty some people play just the other day, and it isn't only in politics that jealousy and envy and various agendas are so prominent! Reading a story about beautiful Maureen O'Hara, who passed away last week, I learned that she was once accused of having sex in a darkened theatre aisle with a stranger not named. Turned out that she was making a movie in Spain at the time, and had her passport to prove it! Why the need to sully a person's reputation is a puzzle to me, but it's happening and it's disgusting when people are put in a position of having to defend themselves against devious troublemakers who tell lies about them! Perhaps it comes with being successful, I don't know, but we're sure seeing it happen lately! If the stories are true, that's a different matter, but we're seeing an extraordinary amount of bias from the MSM on who gets attacked, and who doesn't! Whatever happened to integrity in journalism? :thumbdown:
 
Mithros said:
I'm not sure you quite understand what a fact is. A fact isn't some random nonsense you make up to make yourself feel better. It's something testable and measured. Here's a quick test, if you can't say why something is true, then it's probably not a fact. How exactly would one determine the impact of this alleged media bias? I presume it's the well proven science of bullcrappery.

Saying that there is a 15+ point media bias, and then without it Republicans would have won every election ever by infinite points isn't playing in the world of reality. OH we really won every election ever.. but the other side cheated. Whine whine whine whine whine... sheesh.
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Media coverage can be studied systematically. Are you unaware of what journalists do?
 
David_N said:
Yes, there is "liberal bias." Waaaahhh.
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And how many "journalists" have gone to the Obama white house? :lol:
 
This whole bitching about the debate moderators by Republicans is predicated on the ridiculous notion that the only thing keeping clowns like Carson from giving substantive answers during debates are the questions.
 
US Conservative said:
Media coverage can be studied systematically. Are you unaware of what journalists do?
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You can't measure the impact of political advertising on poll numbers. The notion that you can measure the impact of alleged media bias, and oh.. by the way its at least 15points in favor of the Republicans is ludicrous. It's an idea so stupid that Ben Carson may have thought of it.
 
polgara said:
I was reminded how dirty some people play just the other day, and it isn't only in politics that jealousy and envy and various agendas are so prominent! Reading a story about beautiful Maureen O'Hara, who passed away last week, I learned that she was once accused of having sex in a darkened theatre aisle with a stranger not named. Turned out that she was making a movie in Spain at the time, and had her passport to prove it! Why the need to sully a person's reputation is a puzzle to me, but it's happening and it's disgusting when people are put in a position of having to defend themselves against devious troublemakers who tell lies about them! Perhaps it comes with being successful, I don't know, but we're sure seeing it happen lately! If the stories are true, that's a different matter, but we're seeing an extraordinary amount of bias from the MSM on who gets attacked, and who doesn't! Whatever happened to integrity in journalism? :thumbdown:
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That reminds me...



Harry Reid is such a scum bag.
 
Half they time, they're telling us that the "liberal media" is victimizing us. The other half, they are boasting how Fox News has the most viewership of any news network. And all of the time, they're telling us about how conservatives/Republicans keep snapping up state/local positions.

Like the country, the media is split 50/50 if you factor in all sources of news - including non-print internet publications - instead of focusing on just one.

Stop whining.
 
ocean515 said:
According to AdWeek, and other sources, the highest rated show on Fox News has an average viewership of less than 3 million viewers. That is the O'Reilly Factor.

Contrast that total number to ABC, CBS, or NBC News, which has an average combined nightly audience of over 20 million/night. Add in the numbers for CNN, MSNBC, etc., and the difference is beyond substantial. How many newspapers are there? How many websites like Huffington Post, Salon, Think Progress, etc., etc. exist?

The bias is real, and no matter the political persuasion, the actions of the Fourth Estate should be viewed as dangerous to all.
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So we hear all sorts of chest beating all the time from the right about how Fox's ratings are so much better...but apparently that's politically inconvenient right now.

How many viewers does Fox need to be considered "mainstream?"
 
Mithros said:
You can't measure the impact of political advertising on poll numbers. The notion that you can measure the impact of alleged media bias, and oh.. by the way its at least 15points in favor of the Republicans is ludicrous. It's an idea so stupid that Ben Carson may have thought of it.
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This isn't some abstract theory.

We can quantify it.

Any J-school student can figure this out-we have the technology.

And lolz, I never said it was 15 points in favor of republicans, please read words.
 
rocket88 said:
So we hear all sorts of chest beating all the time from the right about how Fox's ratings are so much better...but apparently that's politically inconvenient right now.

How many viewers does Fox need to be considered "mainstream?"
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Lets not loose all objectivity rocket88. Fox dominates cable news, but as the ratings show, it's nothing but a blip on the overall media exposure chart. Let's admit Fox is the obsession of the Progressive Machine. I suppose their fixation on Fox, and the resulting effort to instruct their followers to constantly berate the cable channel makes it appear they are MSM.

I think from a ratings standpoint, as well as overall news exposure, it would be hard to argue Fox is MSM, but then again, you raise an interesting point, what is MSM?
 
US Conservative said:


Whittle nails it. Fact is our media has a lefty bias good for 15+ points every election.

Its been refreshing watching GOP candidates call out the media on their clear bias.

It will hasten the fall of the biased MSM.
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US Conservative said:
This isn't some abstract theory.

We can quantify it.

Any J-school student can figure this out-we have the technology.

And lolz, I never said it was 15 points in favor of republicans, please read words.
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Your real name isn't Ben Carson is it?
 
ocean515 said:
Lets not loose all objectivity rocket88. Fox dominates cable news, but as the ratings show, it's nothing but a blip on the overall media exposure chart. Let's admit Fox is the obsession of the Progressive Machine. I suppose their fixation on Fox, and the resulting effort to instruct their followers to constantly berate the cable channel makes it appear they are MSM.

I think from a ratings standpoint, as well as overall news exposure, it would be hard to argue Fox is MSM, but then again, you raise an interesting point, what is MSM?
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Considering that Fox is on every cable system, and that their ratings are better than any of the other cable outlets, by your definition CNN is not mainstream.
 
rocket88 said:
Considering that Fox is on every cable system, and that their ratings are better than any of the other cable outlets, by your definition CNN is not mainstream.
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Perhaps it isn't. As I wrote, what is MSM?
 
US Conservative said:


Whittle nails it. Fact is our media has a lefty bias good for 15+ points every election.

Its been refreshing watching GOP candidates call out the media on their clear bias.

It will hasten the fall of the biased MSM.
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Why does the phase "The Game Changer: Ted Cruz..." remind me so much of the "the Duck of Death"?

Then again, wasn't the HBO movie about Sarah Palin called "Game Changer"? Somehow Sarah and Ted do seem equally politically formidable.
 
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