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Ben Carson's House of Lies[W:123]

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VanceMack said:
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There are SEVERAL threads on Carson. None on the lies of Clinton. You just made my point. You and others are eagerly ****ting yourselves over Carson.
So...you and others are targeting her lies? :lamo THATS 'Hllarious'.
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You should start the very first Benghazi thread then. I don't think that's been discussed yet.
 
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Cardinal said:
You should start the very first Benghazi thread then. I don't think that's been discussed yet.
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The right is doing a pretty good job attacking Hillary, that's why I feel like I don't have to. Just turn to the new Fox Benghazi News Channel. maybe they should be focused on attacking Bernie Sanders? Oh wait. It's almost as if they want him to win the nomination.
 
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mac said:
Semantics. West Point's own recruitment literature of the time used the word "Scholarship."



So? how many people have come forward to substantiate your claims?



The event occurred, that's proven.
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1. The conversation should be about honesty, not semantics. Carson has deluded the facts into a conversation of semantics. There is no record of him ever being nominated, so again, his story makes no sense.

2. I can easily get people to vouch for me, and fyi, I have never stabbed nor tried to stab anybody... :lol:

3. We will see.
 
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ModerateGOP said:
Yeah people can be very smart but lack any skills outside academia. I fear if Carson is President he'd actually read the tax code on his first day of office, lock himself in there and not come out until ten years later proclaiming, "I have a solution!" That's how most of academia and I am talking about people with life long college careers, are.
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I agree that I don't see him having leadership qualities, and I am not sure he would be effective as president. I don't even see how he is qualified to be president. He is less qualified than Obama ever was.
 
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mac said:
OR that he did not land under heavy sniper fire in Bosnia? Or that he did not know that Benghazi had nothing to do with a video?
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That's why Fox News is there for you cherry pick liberals as the only scoundrels and liars in DC. You guys should expect Carson to take personal responsibility for his story telling as opposed to developing a victimhood group identity.
 
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SheWolf said:
That's why Fox News is there for you cherry pick liberals as the only scoundrels and liars in DC. You guys should expect Carson to take personal responsibility for his story telling as opposed to developing a victimhood group identity.
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Right...and you are as concerned with Clinton's proven lies as you are with Carson's supposed lies.
 
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mac said:
Right...and you are as concerned with Clinton's proven lies as you are with Carson's supposed lies.
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:lamo :lamo :lamo

Clinton is a liar, and she's proven to be a bigger liar than Carson. If either one of us is a hack, it is you.
 
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Cardinal said:
You should start the very first Benghazi thread then. I don't think that's been discussed yet.
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The primary point would be that far from exposing her lies, hacks and shills from the left have been doing everything they can to defend the lies. Im sure its out of sympathy though. After all...she is a combat hardened politician. "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
 
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VanceMack said:
The primary point would be that far from exposing her lies, hacks and shills from the left have been doing everything they can to defend the lies. Im sure its out of sympathy though. After all...she is a combat hardened politician. "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
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There ya go, you got a lie out. Happy now?
 
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Cardinal said:
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By comparison, the other regular top 3 on the Republican race:

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Notice anything? Every single one of these people can claim to have AT LEAST one of their statements being counted as mostly true. What does Carson's show? He can barely work out as half true. How do Republicans explain this discrepancy? Well, the normal route is blame the media. However, that explanation says the media doesn't like the religious. Which you know, is patently false, but they believe it.

Anyways, they claim the media hates religious men like Carson, but that's just silly. If the media hates outspoken religious, conservative men like Carson why aren't Rubio's statements labeled as half truths more often than not? Marco Rubio is a devout catholic. He's been discussed and seems far more palatable to liberals than any of the other candidates. It follows that the hatred would also follow him. But it simply doesn't. As a matter of fact, the 2 people most likely to offend the senses of liberals are -- as per the same numbers from that liberal rag, politifact -- obviously have more credibility.

In short, they simply can't see that comparing Carson to Obama is pretty silly. Specially since the comparison is being made by the party that has spent seven years smearing the guy with every known insult. Hell, take a look around this forum you'll see folks like American, matchlight? -- I cant never get that guy's name right --, and MickeyW dedicating a sizeable moments of their existence attacking the guy. Now, some of these figures spend the same amount of time defending Ben Carson by making the claim that he and Obama have a lot in common, all the time!

It's almost like they think this comparison wouldn't make observers of the whole thing laugh at their silliness. It's almost like they think the general populace won't see the hypocrisy of it all.
 
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Cardinal said:
There ya go, you got a lie out. Happy now?
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Dont be silly. Its not a mystery that she is a scumbag liar. That isnt the point. Never has been. Never will be. The point is to identify the POS hypocrites that are melting down over Carson but think Hilly is just swell. And frankly...it would be kinda cool if you hit him on something that was an actual lie, and not just hit piece fabrications from Politico that they have had to backpeddle from numerous times.
 
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VanceMack said:
Dont be silly. Its not a mystery that she is a scumbag liar. That isnt the point. Never has been. Never will be. The point is to identify the POS hypocrites that are melting down over Carson but think Hilly is just swell. And frankly...it would be kinda cool if you hit him on something that was an actual lie, and not just hit piece fabrications from Politico that they have had to backpeddle from numerous times.
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I think you're just going to shoot down every lie on the basis that he was "wrong" or that I can't prove intent to deceive. You've gone too far in to be reasonable on this discussion now.
 
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Cardinal said:
I think you're just going to shoot down every lie on the basis that he was "wrong" or that I can't prove intent to deceive. You've gone far too in to be reasonable on this discussion now.
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:lamo Really? Cuz...I find it a bit ironic you are remaining steadfast in this 'Carsons House of Lies" thread when you yourself admitted the story about his lie, was in fact... a lie. Yet...here we are. Still.
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo Really? Cuz...I find it a bit ironic you are remaining steadfast in this 'Carsons House of Lies" thread when you yourself admitted the story about his lie, was in fact... a lie. Yet...here we are. Still.
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Okay, so I was right about you shooting down every lie for nonsensical reasons. I'm glad I saved myself the time. As for the Politico story, I'm 99.9% certain I never participated in that. As I said elsewhere, as a general rule I stay out of stories dealing with murky facts and claims set deep in the past. It's too easy to burn your hand getting involved in those. Me? I'm confident with the present day lies that can be taken at face value and exposed accordingly.
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay, so I was right about you shooting down every lie for nonsensical reasons. I'm glad I saved myself the time. As for the Politico story, I'm 99.9% certain I never participated in that. As I said elsewhere, as a general rule I stay out of stories dealing with murky facts and claims set deep in the past. It's too easy to burn your hand getting involved in those. Me? I'm confident with the present day lies that can be taken at face value and exposed accordingly.
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:lamo And yet...here we are...with numerous posts and threads with people making **** up about the 'lies'. If it is so easy to attack his policies and positions one would think there would actually be threads on those topics and not "Carson said He Went To McDonalds on 12 May 2007 but Cannot Prove It"
 
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Obamacare is the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.
 
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Hatuey said:
By comparison, the other regular top 3 on the Republican race:

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Notice anything?
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Yeah. I notice people keep comparing PolitiFact's "candidate report cards" as though they actually mean something.

Set aside PolitiFact's liberal bias. PolitiFact makes no attempt to rate every claim a candidate makes and in addition makes no attempt to simulate random selection of statements. Who would draw conclusions from unscientifically collected data, especially where we lack evidence that PolitiFact applies its rating scale consistently?
 
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BWWzfc said:
Yeah. I notice people keep comparing PolitiFact's "candidate report cards" as though they actually mean something.

Set aside PolitiFact's liberal bias. PolitiFact makes no attempt to rate every claim a candidate makes and in addition makes no attempt to simulate random selection of statements. Who would draw conclusions from unscientifically collected data, especially where we lack evidence that PolitiFact applies its rating scale consistently?
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don't like the data, malign the source - without offering basis
 
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justabubba said:
don't like the data, malign the source - without offering basis
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Since when is noting selection bias (non-random sampling) not offering a basis?
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo And yet...here we are...with numerous posts and threads with people making **** up about the 'lies'. If it is so easy to attack his policies and positions one would think there would actually be threads on those topics and not "Carson said He Went To McDonalds on 12 May 2007 but Cannot Prove It"
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So all those other posts about Carson making lies are lies too? This thread is not just about the politico story. It's about ALL his lies
 
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BWWzfc said:
Yeah. I notice people keep comparing PolitiFact's "candidate report cards" as though they actually mean something.

Set aside PolitiFact's liberal bias. PolitiFact makes no attempt to rate every claim a candidate makes and in addition makes no attempt to simulate random selection of statements. Who would draw conclusions from unscientifically collected data, especially where we lack evidence that PolitiFact applies its rating scale consistently?
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One wouldn't need to report on every claim to assess whether a person tells the truth the majority of the time or not. It seems clear that being conservative and religious have no bearing on whether a candidate is rated as being truthful most of the time ( see Rubio). It's clear that people who have been considered conservative for far longer - and whose conservativeness is not in question - are seen are more truthful than either Trump or Carson. So what explains this? If we are to believe you: a conspiracy theory by the liberal media to make the candidates with the longest politically conservative track records seem like likely to lie than fresh new faces like Trump and Carson. That really makes no sense.
 
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Back in 2012 BuzzFeed ran a story, carried by CNN, that detailed 38 lies in Obama's memoir DREAMS FROM MY FATHER.

Don't worry, though, those lies were excused as follows:

"The two strands of falsehood run together, in that they often serve the same narrative goal: To tell a familiar, simple, and ultimately optimistic story about race and identity in the 20th Century." :roll:

It was then forgotten.
 
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ModerateGOP said:
So all those other posts about Carson making lies are lies too? This thread is not just about the politico story. It's about ALL his lies
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Are they? Do they have substance? See...there is a standard saw in politics...just make the accusation. Simply making the accusation will give it a shelf life, they will have to spend all their time fending off attacks, and if you say it enough, the lies seem 'true', regardless of whether or not they are. This is from Civil Rights activist Mary Francis Berry...
"Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."

So...did it work? Of course it did. Because the mindless partisan bots are eager to be fed that kind of bull****.

Look...Carson isnt anyones idea of a wet dream political candidate. I dont vote GOP and wouldnt vote for him. There is plenty of room to attack his politics. But what is going on now? Thats just bull**** shmear politics carried out by the media, for and on behalf of the democrat party. He is being attacked because he was nearing the top of the leaderboard. And listen...when you have to retract your retraction to further revise your revision because your retracted article to your original piece and all others since have been proven to be pure bull****...well...you face somewhat of a credibility gap there.
 
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VanceMack said:
1. Are they? Do they have substance? See...there is a standard saw in politics...just make the accusation. Simply making the accusation will give it a shelf life, they will have to spend all their time fending off attacks, and if you say it enough, the lies seem 'true', regardless of whether or not they are. So...did it work? Of course it did. Because the mindless partisan bots are eager to be fed that kind of bull****.

2. Look...Carson isnt anyones idea of a wet dream political candidate. I dont vote GOP and wouldnt vote for him. There is plenty of room to attack his politics. But what is going on now? Thats just bull**** shmear politics carried out by the media, for and on behalf of the democrat party. He is being attacked because he was nearing the top of the leaderboard.

3. And listen...when you have to retract your retraction to further revise your revision because your retracted article to your original piece and all others since have been proven to be pure bull****...well...you face somewhat of a credibility gap there.
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1. Actually the first time I questioned Carson's story was during the GOP Debate, because of the question asked about his relationship to a scammy herbal pill company. Instead of owning up to it, he yelled media bias. What type of Doctor supports fu-fu pills? Well I did some research and he is now my least liked candidate even ahead of Donald Trump! Thereby, I now question everything he says. That's not a good thing while running for President.

2. The man wants to be PRESIDENT. Not Senator or Governor or Mayor. Carosn is acting like he gets to throw his hat in the ring but doesn't expect to be vetted by the entire PUBLIC?? Everything is fair game on Mr. Carson, Mr. Romney, Mr. Obama, and Mrs. Clinton and anyone else who decides to do this! But yeah, I'd attack his policies too, if he had any.

3. I'm not sure what you are talking about here. When did I even mention the politico story in my OP? Care to explain or do you just like throwing words together that have no meaning?
 
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