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CBS' Charlie Rose Pushes Back Against Marco Rubio's False Claim That "Hillary [W:62]

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Wait ... the Trayvon Martin situation was manipulated to get Obama re-elected? In what alternate universe?
:lamo@ you

you poor little fella..
 
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:lamo@ you

you poor little fella..

Try making sense and others won't point out that you're not making sense.
 
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According to CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell, the first report produced by the CIA, along with all subsequent reports, never mentioned anything about the video being a factor in the attack.

I suggest you visit post #41. LMMFAO
 
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This thread is funny.


any idiot could see it wasn't a video. no CIA needed.


this is all a cover for trying to protect the ruling class corporatist you support.
 
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Try making sense and others won't point out that you're not making sense.

It makes sense for those who have any...

I didn't think you were as dishonest as you're showing yourself to be...

But from NY, its to be expected...

You a Hillary Humper from way back...
 
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It makes sense for those who have any...

I didn't think you were as dishonest as you're showing yourself to be...

But from NY, its to be expected...

You a Hillary Humper from way back...

Far out, man.
 
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I don't have time to talk slow to you too.

If my post is nonsensical rubbish (notice the lack of an adverb there, you self styled scrivener) it is due to your deficiency in comprehension, not in my explanation.

Your explanation is jibberish:

You've been duped because you've been duped, me and logic go hand and hand, you and having a fundamental awareness of correlating events, understanding that two seemingly unrelated instances are knitted together, along with a third, showing a pattern of manipulation to influence the public's perception to aid in re-election? Eh, not so much...
 
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It makes sense for those who have any...

I didn't think you were as dishonest as you're showing yourself to be...

But from NY, its to be expected...

You a Hillary Humper from way back...

Your full of it, Kobie said a dozen or so times he doesn't like Hillary. He changed his lean from liberal to private because of it
 
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Far out, man.

What wit...
 
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Your full of it, Kobie said a dozen or so times he doesn't like Hillary. He changed his lean from liberal to private because of it

Ah, Kobie's got a fan club...

You allowed to pump your own gas yet?
 
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Your full of it, Kobie said a dozen or so times he doesn't like Hillary. He changed his lean from liberal to private because of it

Nah, I changed my lean to private because I got sick of people arguing the lean rather than the argument. Nothing to do with Hillary, whom I don't think is particularly liberal.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Stop talking about each other and stick to the OP.
 
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Does anyone have a credible timeline of what was announced by Sec State, President Obama. Date and time stamped.
The announcements are their, along with press conferences. Yest to this date, nothing has been hung on HRC. I would have liked to see her hung, but that is my own opinion.
From what i see, there is nothing there.
Other wise, people smarter than me would have laid it out as clear as glass.
i see arguing about...........................I will leave it at that.
Where is the indisputable timeline of announcements, so called cover up that I see that goes on and on longer than that damned pink bunny.
 
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Rose is such a hack.

He's trying to push the CIA false narrative that was created as a attempt to muddy the waters so to speak.

The CIA didn't Email Chelsea the night of the attack and say it was terrorist attack

Hillary did.


All this "HC lied" is a large pile of do-do meaning nothing.................... but is promoted by the RW to fog over the minds of the ignorant and other Faux devotees..............

So let me ask.......where's the crime?...........why is this crap so important to those of the radical RW?

Can anyone please explain it to us independent thinking folks?
 
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Does anyone have a credible timeline of what was announced by Sec State, President Obama. Date and time stamped.
The announcements are their, along with press conferences. Yest to this date, nothing has been hung on HRC. I would have liked to see her hung, but that is my own opinion.
From what i see, there is nothing there.
Other wise, people smarter than me would have laid it out as clear as glass.
i see arguing about...........................I will leave it at that.
Where is the indisputable timeline of announcements, so called cover up that I see that goes on and on longer than that damned pink bunny.

Here is a list of Clinton's statements on the matter.
Hillary Clinton’s statements

10:08 p.m., Sept. 11, press statement:

“I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.

“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

11:12 p.m., Sept. 11, e-mail to her daughter, Chelsea Clinton:

“Two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an al Qaeda-like group. . . . Very hard day and I fear more of the same.”

Sept. 12, e-mail recounting phone conversation with Egyptian foreign minister:

“We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest. . . . Based on the information we saw today we believe the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with al Qaeda.”

Sept. 13, public remarks with Moroccan foreign minister on Sept. 13, in which the attack in Benghazi is also briefly mentioned:

“I also want to take a moment to address the video circulating on the Internet that has led to these protests in a number of countries. Let me state very clearly – and I hope it is obvious – that the United States Government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its content and message. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. And as you know, we are home to people of all religions, many of whom came to this country seeking the right to exercise their own religion, including, of course, millions of Muslims. And we have the greatest respect for people of faith.”

Sept. 14, remarks at transfer of remains ceremony:

“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”

As you can see, she never said the attack was caused by the video, as the right wing liars claim
 
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Here is a list of Clinton's statements on the matter.


As you can see, she never said the attack was caused by the video, as the right wing liars claim

Thank you
That is what I had gathered in a piece here and there. But not following the story, I was not sure.
 
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Sept. 14, remarks at transfer of remains ceremony:
We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.

I don't know. I guess somehow one could argue that she, in a public statement, did not blame the video SPECIFICALLY for Benghazi but that would seem a stretch.

10:08 p.m., Sept. 11, press statement:
“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.
Less clear here perhaps but one would wonder why she talks about deploring the denigration of religious beliefs of others unless she had some thought that caused the Benghazi attack.

I guess this is some of that "It depends on what the definition of "is" is" Clintonism. Most people reading those sentences would probably, perhaps mistakenly, assume that HClinton blamed the video.
 
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Sept. 14, remarks at transfer of remains ceremony:


I don't know. I guess somehow one could argue that she, in a public statement, did not blame the video SPECIFICALLY for Benghazi but that would seem a stretch.

10:08 p.m., Sept. 11, press statement:

Less clear here perhaps but one would wonder why she talks about deploring the denigration of religious beliefs of others unless she had some thought that caused the Benghazi attack.

I guess this is some of that "It depends on what the definition of "is" is" Clintonism. Most people reading those sentences would probably, perhaps mistakenly, assume that HClinton blamed the video.

If you had known that several of our embassies had seen violent demonstrations over the video, you wouldn't have had to guess and guess so poorly
 
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On the run means they are not able to attack us, because they are "on the run."

How is that those "on the run" are not able to attack?

"3 terrorists on the run may attack on Independence Day," Deacon Chronicle, Aug 9, 2015

"One of acid attack fugitive brothers 'was already on the run from police for another crime'," Daily Mirror, Sept 27, 2015

I'm not sure who they'd blame if Clinton/Sanders were to win in 2016.

The usual suspects — voter fraud, intimidation at polling places by members of the New Black Panther Party, people "who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it," low-information voters, the MSM, corrupt labor unions, George Soros, etc.

She then turns around and tells the families of the victims, as well as the entire nation, the attack was because of the video.

You don't know what she told the families. When did she tell "the entire nation [that] the attack was because of the video"?

Sept. 14, remarks at transfer of remains ceremony:

We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.

I don't know. I guess somehow one could argue that she, in a public statement, did not blame the video SPECIFICALLY for Benghazi but that would seem a stretch.

The "stretch" is omitting her previous sentence — "We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men." I'd say any fair interpretation would recognize that she was distinguishing between two separate categories.
 
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The "stretch" is omitting her previous sentence — "We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men." I'd say any fair interpretation would recognize that she was distinguishing between two separate categories.

And I would think that thinking that she was speaking about Benghazi attack would not be an unfair attack. And I would think that a reasonable person could understand why a listener might think so. That is why I thought that both Rose and Rubio should drop it. It is splitting hairs. When you start talking about the sentence before or after or the context you should understand that other reasonable people may disagree. The attacks in Egypt and Libya were on the 11th, Yemen on the 13th, India on the 14th. So, I guess it is possible when she spoke of embassies, plural, she meant Egypt and Yemen in her speech on the 14th.

Presidents have to be very concise in speeches. In 1948 Truman stated that Korea was outside our sphere of influence which seemed to green light the Korean war.

And I wish that our leaders would be like the Danes who defended the freedom of speech. Leaders should have shown courage and defended that freedom.
 
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Here's the thing....

If you know enough to say this to a foreign PM: “We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest. . . . Based on the information we saw today we believe the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with al Qaeda.”



...then why would you include lines in your public statements such as:

“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet."

“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”

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“I also want to take a moment to address the video circulating on the Internet that has led to these protests in a number of countries. Let me state very clearly – and I hope it is obvious – that the United States Government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its content and message. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. And as you know, we are home to people of all religions, many of whom came to this country seeking the right to exercise their own religion, including, of course, millions of Muslims. And we have the greatest respect for people of faith.”"


...without including any clarification that the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with the video or a protest?




She keeps bringing up the video and saying that "we" have nothing to do with it. BUT she never says "and neither did the attack."

She's a career politician. She and her minders think carefully about scripted statements. Things generally don't end up in such statements for no particular reason at all. When she keeps bringing up the video, bringing up the fact that some people have blamed the attack on the video, and distancing the US video, she manages to imply without saying that it really did have something to do with the video. She could easily also include in her statements a point black denial like she gave the Egyptian PM.

She could also tell the public "We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest."

Simple, direct, to the point. Why doesn't she? Why does she say all the other things about the video, other than that?
 
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Here's the thing....

If you know enough to say this to a foreign PM: “We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest. . . . Based on the information we saw today we believe the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with al Qaeda.”



...then why would you include lines in your public statements such as:

“Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet."

“This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that because it is senseless, and it is totally unacceptable.”

"
“I also want to take a moment to address the video circulating on the Internet that has led to these protests in a number of countries. Let me state very clearly – and I hope it is obvious – that the United States Government had absolutely nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its content and message. America’s commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. And as you know, we are home to people of all religions, many of whom came to this country seeking the right to exercise their own religion, including, of course, millions of Muslims. And we have the greatest respect for people of faith.”"


...without including any clarification that the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with the video or a protest?




She keeps bringing up the video and saying that "we" have nothing to do with it. BUT she never says "and neither did the attack."

She's a career politician. She and her minders think carefully about scripted statements. Things generally don't end up in such statements for no particular reason at all. When she keeps bringing up the video, bringing up the fact that some people have blamed the attack on the video, and distancing the US video, she manages to imply without saying that it really did have something to do with the video. She could easily also include in her statements a point black denial like she gave the Egyptian PM.

She could also tell the public "We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest."

Simple, direct, to the point. Why doesn't she? Why does she say all the other things about the video, other than that?

She also didn't say that the video isn't responsible for the weather

Damn you Clinton!!!
 
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When you start talking about the sentence before or after or the context you should understand that other reasonable people may disagree.

I'd say that depends. But let me say yer position is reasonable, imo. I'm not saying fair-minded people can't disagree about the way the way the Administration handled its communications on this in the days following the attacks in Benghazi. But the hysteria you hear from some (many?) on the Right about how she was "clearly lying" and that the WH was orchestrating a coverup designed to defend a claim that Al Qaeda and its affiliates in the region were somehow "incapable" of launching such attacks is absurd, isn't it?

What'd they require? A dozen or so men armed with automatic weapons and some diesel fuel to start a fire at the consulate, and then a trained mortar crew to direct fire at the annex. Was Obama saying they didn't have that capability?

She keeps bringing up the video and saying that "we" have nothing to do with it.

I'd say that was properly considered an important element of our public position. Wouldn't you want to emphasize that to help protect our other facilities in the Middle East?

>>she keeps bringing up the video, bringing up the fact that some people have blamed the attack on the video

Was she saying that some people blamed the attacks in Benghazi on the video? First, I think some news reports did suggest that. And secondly, I don't recall her making that claim.

>>She could easily also include in her statements a point black denial like she gave the Egyptian PM. She could also tell the public "We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest."

Isn't it reasonable to wait until we were certain before making a definitive public statement? And let me repeat a point I've made in this forum before: We all saw Romney at an October debate going after the president on this issue. Now I know some have criticized Mr. Romney (condemned him even) for not slamming Obummer on this, calling him a liar or whatever. Fwiw, I think his instinctive reaction was the correct one — raise the issue, draw clear attention to it, and then leave it to develop over the three weeks remaining before the election.

In Jan 2009, he did make a statement that he thought Crowley should not have supported the president's claim regarding his Rose Garden statement, and that he was prepared to immediately challenge Obama for "misrepresenting" the nature of the attacks. But my read is that he would simply have been digging a hole for himself. All the vitriol we've heard over the past three years was tossed out in the days before the election … and it didn't lead to an Obummer defeat.

> >Simple, direct, to the point. Why doesn't she? Why does she say all the other things about the video, other than that?

Like I said, I think the comments about the video were intended to disassociate the US government from its production and dissemination. It had led to strong anti-American sentiment in the region that created a dangerous environment for all Americans.
 
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You have a person who has a history of lying.


why are some so quick to believe her still?
 
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It's not just that Hillary lied, it's that she perpetuated the Obama lie. And then they went so far as to pursue the lie in media, tracking down the alleged perp, and put him in jail.

I think Obama and Hillary are pathological liars.

If this administration had done absolutely zero from the day of the election, this country would have been better off.
 
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