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Speaking of media bias

pbrauer said:
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I understand your point Pete, but this is a pretty bad example of it. There are tons more examples of right wing media bias, that I've pointed out over the years. Yet this image just seems to highlight a difference of opinions and not really media bias. Besides at least one those things are actually TRUE. So the fact that Fox News has the best ratings can't be biased in of itself, but Fox News has an obvious right wing slant to it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Grim, surely you are not suggesting that people Limbaugh, or Beck, Hannity, Levin, Ingraham, Coulter are NOT part of the media?

That would be ridiculous...right?
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I am stating the fact that opinion media and news media are 2 entirely different entities. People watch the news to get the facts surrounding the events of the day, while people tune in to political talk shows to get various political opinions, viewpoints and perspectives... not to get the news.

News = opinion-free facts.
Opinion = personal perspective and opinion, not hard news.
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Grim17 said:
I am stating the fact that opinion media and news media are 2 entirely different entities. People watch the news to get the facts surrounding the events of the day, while people tune in to political talk shows to get various political opinions, viewpoints and perspectives... not to get the news.


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Media opinion and media news ARE two entirely different entities.

This thread is about media bias.

The fact that media opinion and media news are different...does not impact on that.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Media opinion and media news ARE two entirely different entities.

This thread is about media bias.

The fact that media opinion and media news are different...does not impact on that.
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Pete's cartoon falsely implies that the newspaper industry is dominated by conservative leaning publications and TV news is dominated by Fox News, when neither are the case.
 
Grim17 said:
Pete's cartoon falsely implies that the newspaper industry is dominated by conservative leaning publications and TV news is dominated by Fox News, when neither are the case.
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I think not.

I think you are over-reacting to the cartoon.
 
Grim17 said:
Is this the kind of fantasy nonsense that Media Matters feeds you Pete, in order to keep you embracing the lie that there's no such thing as liberal bias? Let's do a little reality check, shall we?


The Wall Street Journal - Circulation 2.4 million
The NY times, Washington Post, USA Today, LA Times - Circulation 4.8 million

Fox News - 2 to 3 million nightly News viewers
NBC, ABC, CBS - 20 to 25 million nightly news viewers

Reality can be a real bitch for deniers... and btw, Rush limbaugh is the host of a political opinion show, not a journalist or host of a news program.
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It's kind of cool, don't you think? They say a pictiure is worth 1000 words.
Why do you think they published this cartoon today?
 
Frank Apisa said:
Media opinion and media news ARE two entirely different entities.

This thread is about media bias.

The fact that media opinion and media news are different...does not impact on that.
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It seems to me that most conservatives think that the media bias section should be yet another "liberal-free playground." There are already two others. I wonder how many they want?
 
pbrauer said:
It's kind of cool, don't you think? They say a pictiure is worth 1000 words.
Why do you think they published this cartoon today?
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Because the liberal media showed it's ass last night, so liberal propaganda was required to keep the sheep from straying from the flock.
 
Grim17 said:
Yes, I am... Should we do like Pete and pretend that conservative leaning news outlets dominate the media, when far, far more people get their news from liberal media outlets?
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For one thing, you did not tally up all total conservative media viewership per media type and compare it to the same totals for liberal media, as in, all conservative papers vs. all liberal papers. So it's not a clean comparison.

Second, one might also note the following. America is generally made up with a 50/50 split between "the left" and "the right". Hence, the parties tend to trade the Presidency back and forth. IF it were true that liberal media gets way more views than conservative media, THEN the implication is that regardless of the existence of bias in each, the conservative media you mentioned is more biased to the right than the liberal media is biased to the left. Because it means it's very likely that there are conservatives who still prefer said liberal media to conservative media.

Third, anyone making a comparison, cartoon in OP included, would do well to look at views and participation rates in internet media. I don't know how much of that you can get without sites complying, but still. And that includes the NYT's internet site as well as internet publications that don't have a print circulation.
 
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Grim17 said:
I am stating the fact that opinion media and news media are 2 entirely different entities. People watch the news to get the facts surrounding the events of the day, while people tune in to political talk shows to get various political opinions, viewpoints and perspectives... not to get the news.

News = opinion-free facts.
Opinion = personal perspective and opinion, not hard news.
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The problem with that thinking is it gets muddled in the minds of people, they take it all as news. That's why Fox News is designed the way it is. Roger Ailes is no dummy.
 
Grim17 said:
Because the liberal media showed it's ass last night, so liberal propaganda was required to keep the sheep from straying from the flock.
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CNBC is not liberal. They did a poor job, but that does mean it liberal. The reason for the cartoon was because the candidates whining about media bias. That's conservatives do when something goe bad for them.
 
Frank Apisa said:
If anything...it seems to me the media is slanted more to the right than left...

...although the right cries more about bias than the left.
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When the media says that it's good to be liberal and bad to be conservative, that isn't bias, because it's true. We know that it's true because it's all over the news.
 
mpg said:
When the media says that it's good to be liberal and bad to be conservative, that isn't bias, because it's true. We know that it's true because it's all over the news.
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My preference is to champion a progressive agenda. I think conservative America misses the mark by a wide margin in that area. I want to see safety net programs protected and greatly expanded. In effect, I want to see everyone be guaranteed sufficient for a reasonable life.

I know the "define this and define that" stuff will come up, but suffice to say, I do not want anyone in need. EVERYONE should have enough food, shelter, clothing, medical care, educational opportunities; have the ability to communicate and commute; and have enough of the niceties of life to make it worth living.
 
mpg said:
When the media says that it's good to be liberal and bad to be conservative, that isn't bias, because it's true. We know that it's true because it's all over the news.
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When has "the media" made THAT claim?
 
PakPuk said:
Can't you accept that both sides are as bad as each other? But you are still stuck in the left right paradigm.
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I'd like to see some stuff from the left that even comes close to what's well known n the OP.
 
Kobie said:
Three of the most widely syndicated conservative newspaper columnists are George Will, Cal Thomas and Bill O'Reilly.
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None of whom are mainstream. Bill O'Reilly is not a Conservative...he's more moderate.
 
Grim17 said:
Is this the kind of fantasy nonsense that Media Matters feeds you Pete, in order to keep you embracing the lie that there's no such thing as liberal bias? Let's do a little reality check, shall we?


The Wall Street Journal - Circulation 2.4 million
The NY times, Washington Post, USA Today, LA Times - Circulation 4.8 million

Fox News - 2 to 3 million nightly News viewers
NBC, ABC, CBS - 20 to 25 million nightly news viewers

Reality can be a real bitch for deniers... and btw, Rush limbaugh is the host of a political opinion show, not a journalist or host of a news program.
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I have noticed that "reality" is a bit of a "bitch" for American righties. So much so they apparently prefer creating their own "reality" as a stand-in for the real world that most people perceive.

Comparing ONE newspaper's circulation to the combined numbers of THREE newspapers in an attempt to deflect from the cartoon's statement regarding the Wall Street Journal - "Most Read American Newspaper" - is not reality.

For some reason, failing to note the cartoon's label for FoxNews - "Most Watched CABLE News" - and attempting to compare it with broadcast news channels, which are free to watch unlike FoxNews, is not reality.

And finally, denying that there are many on the right who see El Rushbo as being the premier exemplar of broadcast journalism - is not reality but rather it is denial.
Who's A Journalist? It Depends

Ask members of the press whether Rush Limbaugh and Bob Woodward are journalists and the answers are somewhat predictable.

But the public has a different view. About the same percentage considers the radio talk show host and the author and Washington Post editor to be journalists, says a survey by the Annenberg Public Policy Center released yesterday.

The numbers: 27 percent say Limbaugh is a journalist, 55 percent say he's not and 18 percent don't know.
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It is funny that "27 percent" of the public thinks Rush is a journalist because the 27 Percenters – (are) Those Americans who will predictably vote against their own best interests.

Senator Ted Cruz(R-TX) seems to think Limbaugh would be a great debate moderator
 
Frank Apisa said:
You must be kidding...right?

Okay...let me assume you are not (I'm feeling generous).

My comment was:



I call to the stand, Frank Apisa. (Frank Apisa is the world foremost authority on what Frank Apisa thinks.)

Q: Frank...does it seem to you that the media is slanted more to the right than left...although the right cries more about bias than the left.

A: Yes...it does.




I rest my case.

Any more brilliant observations you want me to deal with, Pak?
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I thought he was asking for evidence backing your "loudest voices" comment. That one seems amenable to support via empirical evidence--assuming "loudest" isn't a subjective judgment.
 
BWWzfc said:
I thought he was asking for evidence backing your "loudest voices" comment. That one seems amenable to support via empirical evidence--assuming "loudest" isn't a subjective judgment.
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I don't think he was...but I will acknowledge that you have a point, BWW. I erred in that I did not add a qualifier when I wrote:

The loudest voices...the most strident comments...are from the FAR right...and are the ones mostly heard.
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I amend that to: It is my opinion (or it seems to me) that the loudest voices...the most strident comments (in the media)...are from the FAR right...and are the ones mostly heard.

Thanks for catching that.
 
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