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The politics of dumb!

Grant said:
Choose whatever publication you want
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OK, I'll choose the BLS's
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Grant said:
It seems you can't read a graph either. Try words instead and don't hesitate to ask questions. Race Gap: Blacks Fall Further Behind Under Obama
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You really shouldn't trust Newsmax as a … news source. The unemployment rate for blacks in Nov 2013, which was the last reported figure when that article was published on Jan 8, 2014, was 12.4%, not 12.5. More importantly, two days later, the Jan report was issued, showing it had dropped to 11.8%. Even more importantly, it's completely misleading to offer up the rate for Jan 2009, the month Obama was inaugurated. Ninety days later in Apr it was fifteen percent. It's now 9.2%.

The article also reports that "The poverty rate for blacks sharply increased, rising from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent Wednesday." They include a link to a NYT article one sentence later, but those figures aren't in the Times article. That's not surprising, since black poverty in 2008 was 24.7%, not 12%. (Poverty in the United States: 2008) The idea that black poverty has EVER been anything nearly as low as 12% is absurd, as is easily recognized by anyone who pays any attention to that issue. Rack that up as another outrageous Murdoch whopper.

That "one sentence" I mentioned was this:

Median income declined by 3.6 percent for white households to $58,000, but fell 10.9 percent to $33,500 for black households​

So median income for black households was $37,600 in Jan 2009 and dropped to 33.5 in Aug 2013, when that Times article was published. (No need to check their reporting.) It's now back up to 35.4, so the decline has been cut to 5.9%. (2014 Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Estimates from the Current Population Survey) As I've noted, the president has been focused on avoiding a worldwide depression and hasn't been able to attend to this issue as much as he would have liked. Finally, whose policies led to that sharp decline? Obummer's?

Grant said:
Choose whatever publication you want but the facts remain the same.
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Actually, facts change over time. The poverty and unemployment rates vary month-to-month. But the liars continue to lie. And those who believe their lies will continue to lose arguments.
 
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mmi said:
You really shouldn't trust Newsmax as a … news source. The unemployment rate for blacks in Nov 2013, which was the last reported figure when that article was published on Jan 8, 2014, was 12.4%, not 12.5. More importantly, two days later, the Jan report was issued, showing it had dropped to 11.8%. Even more importantly, it's completely misleading to offer up the rate for Jan 2009, the month Obama was inaugurated. Ninety days later in Apr it was fifteen percent. It's now 9.2%.

The article also reports that "The poverty rate for blacks sharply increased, rising from 12 percent in 2008 to 16.1 percent Wednesday." They include a link to a NYT article one sentence later, but those figures aren't in the Times article. That's not surprising, since black poverty in 2008 was 24.7%, not 12%. (Poverty in the United States: 2008) The idea that black poverty has EVER been anything nearly as low as 12% is absurd, as is easily recognized by anyone who pays any attention to that issue. Rack that up as another outrageous Murdoch whopper.

That "one sentence" I mentioned was this:

Median income declined by 3.6 percent for white households to $58,000, but fell 10.9 percent to $33,500 for black households​

So median income for black households was $37,600 in Jan 2009 and dropped to 33.5 in Aug 2013, when that Times article was published. (No need to check their reporting.) It's now back up to 35.4, so the decline has been cut to 5.9%. (2014 Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Estimates from the Current Population Survey) As I've noted, the president has been focused on avoiding a worldwide depression and hasn't been able to attend to this issue as much as he would have liked. Finally, whose policies led to that sharp decline? Obummer's? Actually, facts change over time. The poverty and unemployment rates vary month-to-month. But the liars continue to lie. And those who believe their lies will continue to lose arguments.
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Facts change when circumstances change. Bottom line - Has Black unemployment increased or decreased under the Obama Administration?
 
Grant said:
Facts change when circumstances change. Bottom line - Has Black unemployment increased or decreased under the Obama Administration?
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That question is woefully incomplete to address your actual (hidden) argument.

How has overall employment under President Obama changed, and how has unemployment for blacks changed under President Obama ? <-- would be a step in the right direction.
 
mmitch401 said:
In America today we have the left wing which is socialist and or liberal but moderates in the party can be counted on one hand. On the right we see a party that was moving left with a growing group we now call RINO's the power of conservatism had diminished to a point where the politics of dumb filled the air and saddened my heart.

What I'm talking about it conservatives gave up hope a started staying away from the polls opting to vote for no one instead of working to improve our party. Obama was the greatest thing that ever happened to our movement because he woke us all up. He proved once and for all what happens when you stay home and let the other side win.

Since Obama took office the right has witnessed an insurgence from the grass roots with ever more conservative members running and being elected to office on the local level and over the past six years we are seeing these insurgents move up the food chain as they set there sights on higher and higher office. This can be demonstrated to day in the congress with Boehner's problems holding the speakership.

The republican caucus has been changing with each election cycle, growing more conservative and as we view this election cycle we see that change moving forward as fresh blood challenges moderates at the local level. In Texas alone this cycle we see three strong conservatives challenging RINO republicans. As you move across the country you see it happening everywhere.

The establishment republicans have been heartened by the ever shrinking based in the democratic party nationwide as this has slowly taken place, but of late as prospects of an outsider winning the hearts and minds of conservatives has set in and the view of the house growing more conservative each election cycle which now looks to remove Boehner, Joy has turned to fear. RINO's in the Senate now know these popular new house members will one day challenge them.

This month we are seeing the good old boy network move right much to the chagrin of our RINO's in the senate but will it last beyond election day? This will depend on the make up of the house, if as has taken place in the last few elections the house continues to move more conservative as the RINO's fear it will and becomes a conservative body then the change will be lasting.

Even though most house members have until November to decide we are already seeing RINO's in the house announce they will not run for reelection. Many are waiting to see if the tea party mounts a challenge before making their decision. The trend is our friend what is important is that we never fall back to the politics of dump. If in the end a RINO wins in your district vote for him\her but in the primaries do all that you can do to take back our party.

We are winning, don't let the left wing media convince you of anything less
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When you sit at the end of the right wing of the airplane, the fuselage looks far to the left...
 
Grant said:
Here is is again. Has Black unemployment increased or decreased under the Obama Administration?
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It was 12.7% in Jan 2009. That data was collected in the same week he was inaugurated, and was a representation of the labor market the week before. By the third week of February, it was 13.7. He was busy partying and scouting golf courses that month, and so didn't have much time to focus on niggers looking for work.

By the third week in April, less than one hundred days into his administration, it was 15%. But then he got his Kenyan Muslim commie, terrorist sympathizer, big-eared, faggot, lying, fat-assed wife, magic act in gear … and it's now down to 9.2%. If he hadn't been seriously distracted trying to avoid a worldwide depression and deal with wrapping up a disastrous military misadventure in Iraq brought to us by Chaingang, Dumsfeld, and Associates, a completely irresponsible and unnecessary tragedy that cost us trillions of dollars and many thousands of deaths and serious causalities while removing our forces from the theatre where they were needed in Afghanistan, he likely could have done more to help those Negroes find employment.
 
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Grant said:
What has that got to do with the question?

Here is is again. Has Black unemployment increased or decreased under the Obama Administration?
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Here it is again
January 2009 to April 2015 -- black unemployment fell from 12.7 percent to 9.6 percent. That’s down 3.1 percentage points, or a decrease of 24 percent. That’s a more impressive decline than under Reagan’s entire term.
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Gee, I wonder who was president from January 2009 to April 2015? :shrug:
 
sangha said:
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Gee, I wonder who was president from January 2009 to April 2015? :shrug:
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What does any of this have to do with Ronald Reagan???

And, not surprisingly, you seem aware of only part of the story.

In 2009, black unemployment was 12.7 percent, and by 2014, it had fallen to 10.1 percent. This sounds like good news until one examines the black labor force participation rate -- the percentage of blacks working or seeking work. It's the lowest since these numbers have been recorded.

In a report for the Center for Economic and Policy Research, economist Dean Baker writes, "The drop in labor force participation was sharpest for African Americans, who saw a decline of 0.3 percentage points to 60.2 percent, the lowest rate since December of 1977. The rate for African American men fell 0.7 percentage points to 65.6 percent, the lowest on record. The decline in labor force participation was associated with a drop in the overall African American unemployment rate of 0.5 percentage points to 11.9, and a drop of 0.6 percentage points to 11.6 percent for African-American men."
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Grant said:
What does any of this have to do with Ronald Reagan???

And, not surprisingly, you seem aware of only part of the story.
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You asked
Has Black unemployment increased or decreased under the Obama Administration?
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Here it is again
January 2009 to April 2015 -- black unemployment fell from 12.7 percent to 9.6 percent. That’s down 3.1 percentage points, or a decrease of 24 percent. That’s a more impressive decline than under Reagan’s entire term.
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Gee, I wonder who was president from January 2009 to April 2015?
 
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