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Jack Hays said:
It's not a guess. It's a statement of fact.
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Forget about it Jack, she was making a point of hers in the middle of a discussion about Planned Parenthood. And you don't why she did it. See you!!!
 
pbrauer said:
Forget about it Jack, she was making a point of hers in the middle of a discussion about Planned Parenthood. And you don't why she did it. See you!!!
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You asked a question in #15. I answered. I think you have lost the thread.
 
Jack Hays said:
You asked a question in #15. I answered. I think you have lost the thread.
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Still don't know why she mentions being a secretary? Watch the videoi when it will become crystal clear.
 
pbrauer said:
Good on Chuck Todd for calling her out on her exaggerations, instead she doubled down after Tood told her what she saw was stock footage.

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I wish he would of called her out on the biggest lie from her saying that our tax money is paying for abortions. It is clearly a federal law that no federal government funds can be used for abortion procedures.

How come the so called left leaning media don't call this Bull**** out !!!
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm a WaPo subscriber and I read this when it first came out. It's very disappointing to see that the Pinocchios in this case were actually earned by the FactChecker. Fiorina's story is simply true, and the pretzel knots into which the FactChecker ties himself to make it something else are . . . well . . . imaginative.
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Oh, please Jack.

She didn't get promoted up the management chain from secretary.

What happened is that her family's wealth and influence catapulted her well past all the poor people who this pipe dream of rags-to-riches is specifically designed to appeal to.

It's a blatant misrepresentation for the sake of romanticizing the voter base. The worst part of it is, the actuality of her circumstance actually paints a poor picture of her. She had everything going for her, had opportunities no other woman had ever received, and proceeded to make one of the worst CEOs in human history.

Her personal story should really be about how success comes from privilege and is rarely earned on merit.
 
Absentglare said:
Oh, please Jack.

She didn't get promoted up the management chain from secretary.

What happened is that her family's wealth and influence catapulted her well past all the poor people who this pipe dream of rags-to-riches is specifically designed to appeal to.

It's a blatant misrepresentation for the sake of romanticizing the voter base. The worst part of it is, the actuality of her circumstance actually paints a poor picture of her. She had everything going for her, had opportunities no other woman had ever received, and proceeded to make one of the worst CEOs in human history.

Her personal story should really be about how success comes from privilege and is rarely earned on merit.
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False. She was a secretary to support herself at that point in her life.
 
Jack Hays said:
I don't think the facts support that.
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Present some facts. Until then what you think is just an opinion. She is on my short list but I am not going to lie to myself. I think she over played her cards on that story.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Present some facts. Until then what you think is just an opinion. She is on my short list but I am not going to lie to myself. I think she over played her cards on that story.
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I have been over this multiple times and I'm not doing it again. I found nothing in her statement that was inconsistent with the video. Her words were carefully chosen.
 
Jack Hays said:
I have been over this multiple times and I'm not doing it again. I found nothing in her statement that was inconsistent with the video. Her words were carefully chosen.
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We can agree to disagree then. :2wave:
 
Jack Hays said:
False. She was a secretary to support herself at that point in her life.
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Okayyyy but her ascension to CEO was almost completely related to her tenure as secretary.

She's being deliberately misleading. The nice thing about all the other candidates is that they don't have to lie about their credentials. Kasich really knows how to govern, he can just point to his track record and show the people who he is.

Fiorina is a manipulative woman.
 
Absentglare said:
Okayyyy but her ascension to CEO was almost completely related to her tenure as secretary.

She's being deliberately misleading. The nice thing about all the other candidates is that they don't have to lie about their credentials. Kasich really knows how to govern, he can just point to his track record and show the people who he is.

Fiorina is a manipulative woman.
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As it happens, Kasich is my preferred candidate. I find Fiorina to be an attractive candidate as well. I don't find her personal narrative misleading in the slightest.
 
Jack Hays said:
As it happens, Kasich is my preferred candidate. I find Fiorina to be an attractive candidate as well. I don't find her personal narrative misleading in the slightest.
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Well, then i suppose i'm glad you found candidates that you like.
 
Quick Guide to Planned Parenthood Videos - Mollie Hemingway, Federalist

7) Human Capital – Episode 3: Planned Parenthood’s Custom Abortions for Superior Product


This is the video that the media claim doesn’t exist. It’s absolutely horrifying. It combines clips from previous videos we’ve already seen, such as some of the statements of Planned Parenthood officials, with the claims of others in the baby organ procurement business. But the centerpiece is the first-person testimony of O’Donnell explaining how a late-term baby boy was aborted, how she didn’t know if he was technically alive or not since the heart was beating. She says she harvested his brain by cutting his head open beginning at the chin. She describes how afterwards she had difficulty shoving him into a container because he was so big. She says it was the hardest experience she ever had. O’Donnell describes harvesting the boy’s body parts with her colleague:
“… its nose was very pronounced, it had eyelids, and its mouth was pronounced. And then since the fetus was still intact, she said, ‘okay, well, this is a really good fetus, and it looks like we can procure a lot from it. We’re going to procure brains.’”
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While she’s talking about this, footage of another aborted later-term baby kicking his legs in a dish is shown. Later we see a picture of yet another boy who was born premature and died in his parents’ arms.

See also: Carly Fiorina discusses brain harvesting at debate. Misinformation about the video.
 
Jack Hays said:
Quick Guide to Planned Parenthood Videos - Mollie Hemingway, Federalist

7) Human Capital – Episode 3: Planned Parenthood’s Custom Abortions for Superior Product


This is the video that the media claim doesn’t exist. It’s absolutely horrifying. It combines clips from previous videos we’ve already seen, such as some of the statements of Planned Parenthood officials, with the claims of others in the baby organ procurement business. But the centerpiece is the first-person testimony of O’Donnell explaining how a late-term baby boy was aborted, how she didn’t know if he was technically alive or not since the heart was beating. She says she harvested his brain by cutting his head open beginning at the chin. She describes how afterwards she had difficulty shoving him into a container because he was so big. She says it was the hardest experience she ever had. O’Donnell describes harvesting the boy’s body parts with her colleague:
“… its nose was very pronounced, it had eyelids, and its mouth was pronounced. And then since the fetus was still intact, she said, ‘okay, well, this is a really good fetus, and it looks like we can procure a lot from it. We’re going to procure brains.’”
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While she’s talking about this, footage of another aborted later-term baby kicking his legs in a dish is shown. Later we see a picture of yet another boy who was born premature and died in his parents’ arms.

See also: Carly Fiorina discusses brain harvesting at debate. Misinformation about the video.
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Nobody is saying the scene doesn't exist on the edited video, however it doesn't exist on any of the 12 hours unedited videos either, so that means it wasn't taken at a Planned Parenthood facility. I believe what you see in the edited version is a still born baby.
 
pbrauer said:
Nobody is saying the scene doesn't exist on the edited video, however it doesn't exist on any of the 12 hours unedited videos either, so that means it wasn't taken at a Planned Parenthood facility. I believe what you see in the edited version is a still born baby.
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Regardless, the video is consistent with Fiorina's description.
 
Jack Hays said:
Just another of the critics who were lazy listeners. Fiorina chose her words carefully.
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:lamo Have it you way Jack, I wanted to let know Carly is full of crap. Bye.
 
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