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Everything Is Always Watergate: Clinton Email Edition

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The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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lol - still trying to defend the Wicked Witch of Weaselton DC?

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ballantine said:
lol - still trying to defend the Wicked Witch of Weaselton DC?

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That's a poorly done photoshop, you can do better (or whoever made that can)
 
pbrauer said:
The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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It is hard to say, what Ms Clinton's email mess is. Maybe we will find out. The greater similarity to Mr Nixon's cv is back home, when her hubby was still Governor. They never made the different scandals transparent and it smelled very badly. And believe me. We do not want to take the chance. This is not an in dubio pro situation. This is an election and lending power over oneself to someone that has seemed seedy is stupidity.
 
pbrauer said:
The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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Media matters. Really? Could you find another source more biased?

There are only a couple reasons the head of the Clinton crime family would pull something like this. One is that she's incompetent. The other is she's hiding something. The bottom line is that she may avoid prosecution because the Justice Department is partisan. Personally, I think she should be subject to the same standard and General Petraeus.
 
sawdust said:
Media matters. Really? Could you find another source more biased?

There are only a couple reasons the head of the Clinton crime family would pull something like this. One is that she's incompetent. The other is she's hiding something. The bottom line is that she may avoid prosecution because the Justice Department is partisan. Personally, I think she should be subject to the same standard and General Petraeus.
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What standard is that? What did General Petraeus do as compared to what Hillary did.
 
pbrauer said:
What standard is that? What did General Petraeus do as compared to what Hillary did.
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Petraeus allowed his biographer to see journals he wrote when he led our troops in Afghanistan. He was sentenced to two years probation and fined a hundred grand. His breach of security is nothing compared to Clintons mishandling of top secret documents. The FBI believes they can reconstruct the data that Clinton purposefully tried to destroy. They are also trying to determine if any foreign powers hacked into her server. If a foreign power did access her documents her stupidity borders on treason.
 
pbrauer said:
The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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What exactly is your innocent explanation for the homebrew server? For wiping it clean (and making jokes about it)? Do you really think the FBI is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy?
 
wbcoleman said:
What exactly is your innocent explanation for the homebrew server? For wiping it clean (and making jokes about it)? Do you really think the FBI is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy?
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Of course they aren't part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, but they are not investigating Hillary Clinton either.
 
sawdust said:
Petraeus allowed his biographer to see journals he wrote when he led our troops in Afghanistan. He was sentenced to two years probation and fined a hundred grand. His breach of security is nothing compared to Clintons mishandling of top secret documents. The FBI believes they can reconstruct the data that Clinton purposefully tried to destroy. They are also trying to determine if any foreign powers hacked into her server. If a foreign power did access her documents her stupidity borders on treason.
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Petraeus intentionally gathered and leaked classified information to someone who did not have sufficient security clearance.

Clinton did no such thing.

The FBI saying that they may be able to find erased information does not make Clinton guilty, that's just stupid propaganda.

If ineptitude alone could make a case for treason, we'd string up President Bush 2 well before Hillary.

wbcoleman said:
What exactly is your innocent explanation for the homebrew server? For wiping it clean (and making jokes about it)? Do you really think the FBI is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy?
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What is your explanation for not pursuing her predecessors for the exact same imagined crimes?

NonoBadDog said:
Exactly my point. Thanks.
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Saying they are not a news organization doesn't make that weak ass ad hominem any stronger. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut, they don't have to be a news organization to be correct about something.
 
pbrauer said:
You had a point? As far as I'm concerned Media Matters is the Gold Standard, but it is not news.
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Correct on both points. As far as you are concerned and it isn't news.
 
pbrauer said:
The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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Media Matters should check this out. New details raise concerns over security of Hillary's server | On Air Videos | Fox News
 
pbrauer said:
The Nixon Watergate stories, Nixon was a crook, Hillary isn't.

Conservatives are using the ongoing examination of Hillary Clinton's State Department emails to once again make a series of over-the-top accusations that compare her behavior to former President Richard Nixon and the Watergate scandal. This is the latest in a pattern of distortions which aim to elevate the email story to the same level as the worst political scandal in American history.

The latest round of faulty Watergate comparisons appears to have been sparked by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, who, along with fellow Washington Post journalist Carl Bernstein, famously broke the story of the 1972 Nixon-sanctioned break-in at the Watergate hotel.

Appearing on MSNBC's Morning Joe on August 18, Woodward said the controversy over Clinton's emails, and the latest development involving Clinton handing over her private server to investigators, "reminds me of the Nixon tapes" which "Nixon thought were exclusively his." He went on to claim: "Hillary Clinton initially took that position: 'I'm not turning this over, there's gonna be no cooperation.' Now they're cooperating."

Woodward is perpetuating a falsehood here. As Clinton said in a March 10 press conference: "After I left office, the State Department asked former secretaries of state for our assistance in providing copies of work-related emails from our personal accounts. I responded right away and provided all my emails that could possibly be work-related, which totaled roughly 55,000 printed pages, even though I knew that the State Department already had the vast majority of them." This month, Clinton also gave her private server to the Justice Department, in response to concerns that it might contain information now deemed classified.

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Well if you weren't around for Watergate, trust me it was truly stunning.

Nothing before and nothing since has been quite so dramatic and outlandish.

If you read J. Gordon Liddy's book he explains all about it.

Nixon knew nothing about it -- Mitchell came up with the plan -- insane.

Liddy led it like an Army platoon commander.

Nixon tried to cover it up for political reasons: "Throw them a French fry and maybe it will shut them up."

The day Nixon resigned was stunning. I think the whole Nation was watching tv covering the event.

That's why.
 
Absentglare said:
Petraeus intentionally gathered and leaked classified information to someone who did not have sufficient security clearance...
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Ah yes Petraeus.

You know (maybe you don't) but they teach us in officers' school that penetration no matter how slight constitutes adultery under the UCMJ and Petraeus was apparently ALL IN.

Sad. Very sad.

He could have gone for Senator, maybe even President.

But he went with his willie into Broadwell instead.
 
Absentglare said:
Petraeus intentionally gathered and leaked classified information to someone who did not have sufficient security clearance.

Clinton did no such thing.

The FBI saying that they may be able to find erased information does not make Clinton guilty, that's just stupid propaganda.

If ineptitude alone could make a case for treason, we'd string up President Bush 2 well before Hillary.



What is your explanation for not pursuing her predecessors for the exact same imagined crimes?



Saying they are not a news organization doesn't make that weak ass ad hominem any stronger. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut, they don't have to be a news organization to be correct about something.
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Petraeus let his mistress read his journals. They were a very low level os secret classification, unlike the over three hundred classified emails Clinton had stored on her server. The same investigator who was in charge of the Petraeus case is in charge of the Clinton case along with the FBI. Clinton's breaches of security and protocol were much more serious. They were stupid and unnecessary. She's made matters worse because she tried to cover the whole thing up. She had her server wiped. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the emails she deleted had to do with double dealing with government power in exchange for questionable contributions to her foundation. She was a bad Secretary of State and is a lousy person.
 
The OP is another example of the left claiming, "Yes, she is guilty but so was Nixon 40 years ago! So there you poop head Republicans". Why not just shut up and hope Biden or Kerry runs in her place? Hell, call Al Gore if you have to but shut up and admit the old bag screwed up big time.
 
pbrauer said:
Of course they aren't part of the vast right-wing conspiracy, but they are not investigating Hillary Clinton either.
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What do you think the FBI is doing with her server? With her thumb drive? What's the innocent explanation? [Hint: There isn't one.]
 
rhinefire said:
The OP is another example of the left claiming, "Yes, she is guilty but so was Nixon 40 years ago! So there you poop head Republicans". Why not just shut up and hope Biden or Kerry runs in her place? Hell, call Al Gore if you have to but shut up and admit the old bag screwed up big time.
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The old bag screwed up big time. This time lipstick won't help her.

But even so the GOP will need Carly on the ticket as VP to beat her.
 
sawdust said:
Petraeus let his mistress read his journals. They were a very low level os secret classification, unlike the over three hundred classified emails Clinton had stored on her server. The same investigator who was in charge of the Petraeus case is in charge of the Clinton case along with the FBI. Clinton's breaches of security and protocol were much more serious. They were stupid and unnecessary. She's made matters worse because she tried to cover the whole thing up. She had her server wiped. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the emails she deleted had to do with double dealing with government power in exchange for questionable contributions to her foundation. She was a bad Secretary of State and is a lousy person.
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Yup it is the cover-up that will come back to bite Hillary. Same as Nixon.

It would be an incredible miracle of God if the FBI indicts her and takes her completely out of the race.

Please God please !!!
 
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