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Hillary Clinton Attacks Judicial Watch For Exposing Email Scandal.....

ballantine said:
He looks like he's whacked out on something. lol - is that a macramé bracelet on his wrist? :lamo
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He sure looks bizarre. It is a good pic for a meme. "SO there I was, filling my secret server with secret sauce."
 
NonoBadDog said:
He sure looks bizarre. It is a good pic for a meme. "SO there I was, filling my secret server with secret sauce."
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:)

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NonoBadDog said:
I hope it happens just after the primaries.
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That would be best. Whether she's ultimately indicted or not, this will take a while, and partly due to her own intransigence and obstruction. The thought of seeing the Clintons ride off into the sunset is satisfying.
 
It is widely know the Obamas and Clintons hate each other so perhaps Obama will help feed the sharks as they continue to devour Hillary.
 
NonoBadDog said:
He looks like he just survived chemo or he is on a really extreme diet and drugs.
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Nah, that's the look of someone that just didn't like being told.....Bill I am the only one that has plausible deniability. Nothing I can do about it.
 
MMC said:
Nah, that's the look of someone that just didn't like being told.....Bill I am the only one that has plausible deniability. Nothing I can do about it.
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His face is gaunt. His arms look really skinny, unnaturally skinny.
 
NonoBadDog said:
His face is gaunt. His arms look really skinny, unnaturally skinny.
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And it looks like he was quite livid about something. But we all know it was just a friendly game of golf, a mutual friend died and all that.

I will have to remember that one. When someone says hey a friend of ours just died.....cmon lets go play some golf and talk about it. Its the least we can do.
 
MMC said:
And it looks like he was quite livid about something. But we all know it was just a friendly game of golf, a mutual friend died and all that.

I will have to remember that one. When someone says hey a friend of ours just died.....cmon lets go play some golf and talk about it. Its the least we can do.
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They don't like each other much. Never have, never will.
 
MMC said:
Good reason to get together and play some golf, huh? :golf
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I think it was a way to "negotiate" away from everyone else, photo op on how much they like each other and for Bill to whine about who is leaking info on Hillary.
 
cpwill said:
305 emails thus far, we'll probably reach at least a thousand before we are done.

3-4 people who used the server.

Mathematically, this contention is ridiculous. Explain yourself.



No, we are laughing at your continued need to refuse to believe your lying eyes. :)
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I learned something today I didn't know. The classification of material is a subjective exercise not an objective one. So the intelligence community has one opinion while the State Dept can have a different one.
 
pbrauer said:
I learned something today I didn't know. The classification of material is a subjective exercise not an objective one. So the intelligence community has one opinion while the State Dept can have a different one.
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That can be correct when classifying by aggregation (when putting different pieces of unclassified information together makes the final piece classified), but not with SCI, where the classification is predetermined by the collection platform and methodology, or with collateral-level collection, where again the platform and methodology is determinant.

For example

(EXAMPLE ONLY)

The RANGE ROVER is an amazing new piece of SIGINT gear that is, through bouncing radio signals off of Mars, strategic placement of ones' licked finger, and flagrant abuse of the space-time-continuum, capable of reading text messages before they are even typed. We can track the texts of bad guys back and forth to each other a full 25 minutes in advance of them even before they type the message, dramatically improving Indications and Warnings capability. Every single piece of information collected by the RANGE ROVER platform is therefore Classified TS//SI/TK//NOFORN.

The assistant to the secretary of the Chief of Staff of the Prime Minister of Arcadia has learned that his country is extremely afraid of the possible threat from neighboring Foodcourtland over the next 3 to 6 months. He mentions this in semi-drunken conversation at an official party function to the US Defense Attache. Because Arcadia is a country in which we work very closely with the New Zealanders, and because the collection was pretty overt (anyone within earshot could have heard it), but because it is still secret, this information is SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY (The "Five Eyes" community being the US, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia).

I have started tracking open-source reports about foreign fighters from Arcadia traveling to fight in the Butlerian Jihad in the south of Foodcourtland. This is significant to us because returning Foreign Fighters have been known to assault our Ambassadors with condiments in the middle of important functions, which the Arcadians take as an extreme insult (on our part), after which they cut off diplomatic relations for weeks at a time. Aggregating enough publicly available information from the foreign fighters' twitter feeds, facebook accounts, tumbler accounts, and op-eds in the New York Times, I am able to come to a moderately-high assessment that there are approximately 750 Arcadians currently fighting the Butlers in Foodcourtland, and that somewhere between 50 and 75 have gone to fight and then returned, making them High Mustard Risks. In discussion with the Embassy, this unclassified information and its attached assessment is raised for their purposes to CONFIDENTIAL//REL TO USA, FVEY. I take it home to show my boss in the DOD, who points out that, by DOD regulations, since one could backtrack to reverse-engineer our social media TTPs, this information needs to be upgraded to SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY. We inform the Chief of Mission, who, since she is the Ambassador (as a traditional nerd-kingdom, Arcadia is particularly accommodating to female Ambassadors), is free to listen to us or not.

(EXAMPLE ONLY)



Make sense?
 
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cpwill said:
That can be correct when classifying by aggregation (when putting different pieces of unclassified information together makes the final piece classified), but not with SCI, where the classification is predetermined by the collection platform and methodology, or with collateral-level collection, where again the platform and methodology is determinant.

For example

(EXAMPLE ONLY)

The RANGE ROVER is an amazing new piece of SIGINT gear that is, through bouncing radio signals off of Mars, strategic placement of ones' licked finger, and flagrant abuse of the space-time-continuum, capable of reading text messages before they are even typed. We can track the texts of bad guys back and forth to each other a full 25 minutes in advance of them even before they type the message, dramatically improving Indications and Warnings capability. Every single piece of information collected by the RANGE ROVER platform is therefore Classified TS//SI/TK//NOFORN.

The assistant to the secretary of the Chief of Staff of the Prime Minister of Arcadia has learned that his country is extremely afraid of the possible threat from neighboring Foodcourtland over the next 3 to 6 months. He mentions this in semi-drunken conversation at an official party function to the US Defense Attache. Because Arcadia is a country in which we work very closely with the New Zealanders, and because the collection was pretty overt (anyone within earshot could have heard it), but because it is still secret, this information is SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY (The "Five Eyes" community being the US, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia).

I have started tracking open-source reports about foreign fighters from Arcadia traveling to fight in the Butlerian Jihad in the south of Foodcourtland. This is significant to us because returning Foreign Fighters have been known to assault our Ambassadors with condiments in the middle of important functions, which the Arcadians take as an extreme insult (on our part), after which they cut off diplomatic relations for weeks at a time. Aggregating enough publicly available information from the foreign fighters' twitter feeds, facebook accounts, tumbler accounts, and op-eds in the New York Times, I am able to come to a moderately-high assessment that there are approximately 750 Arcadians currently fighting the Butlers in Foodcourtland, and that somewhere between 50 and 75 have gone to fight and then returned, making them High Mustard Risks. In discussion with the Embassy, this unclassified information and its attached assessment is raised for their purposes to CONFIDENTIAL//REL TO USA, FVEY. I take it home to show my boss in the DOD, who points out that, by DOD regulations, since one could backtrack to reverse-engineer our social media TTPs, this information needs to be upgraded to SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY. We inform the Chief of Mission, who, since she is the Ambassador (as a traditional nerd-kingdom, Arcadia is particularly accommodating to female Ambassadors), is free to listen to us or not.

(EXAMPLE ONLY)



Make sense?
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Sure, this aggregation process must be what their going through with the 305 emails. Several of them agqregated together could make them classified. Of course Hillary Clinton could not see this.
 
cpwill said:
That can be correct when classifying by aggregation (when putting different pieces of unclassified information together makes the final piece classified), but not with SCI, where the classification is predetermined by the collection platform and methodology, or with collateral-level collection, where again the platform and methodology is determinant.

For example

(EXAMPLE ONLY)

The RANGE ROVER is an amazing new piece of SIGINT gear that is, through bouncing radio signals off of Mars, strategic placement of ones' licked finger, and flagrant abuse of the space-time-continuum, capable of reading text messages before they are even typed. We can track the texts of bad guys back and forth to each other a full 25 minutes in advance of them even before they type the message, dramatically improving Indications and Warnings capability. Every single piece of information collected by the RANGE ROVER platform is therefore Classified TS//SI/TK//NOFORN.

The assistant to the secretary of the Chief of Staff of the Prime Minister of Arcadia has learned that his country is extremely afraid of the possible threat from neighboring Foodcourtland over the next 3 to 6 months. He mentions this in semi-drunken conversation at an official party function to the US Defense Attache. Because Arcadia is a country in which we work very closely with the New Zealanders, and because the collection was pretty overt (anyone within earshot could have heard it), but because it is still secret, this information is SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY (The "Five Eyes" community being the US, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia).

I have started tracking open-source reports about foreign fighters from Arcadia traveling to fight in the Butlerian Jihad in the south of Foodcourtland. This is significant to us because returning Foreign Fighters have been known to assault our Ambassadors with condiments in the middle of important functions, which the Arcadians take as an extreme insult (on our part), after which they cut off diplomatic relations for weeks at a time. Aggregating enough publicly available information from the foreign fighters' twitter feeds, facebook accounts, tumbler accounts, and op-eds in the New York Times, I am able to come to a moderately-high assessment that there are approximately 750 Arcadians currently fighting the Butlers in Foodcourtland, and that somewhere between 50 and 75 have gone to fight and then returned, making them High Mustard Risks. In discussion with the Embassy, this unclassified information and its attached assessment is raised for their purposes to CONFIDENTIAL//REL TO USA, FVEY. I take it home to show my boss in the DOD, who points out that, by DOD regulations, since one could backtrack to reverse-engineer our social media TTPs, this information needs to be upgraded to SECRET//REL TO USA, FVEY. We inform the Chief of Mission, who, since she is the Ambassador (as a traditional nerd-kingdom, Arcadia is particularly accommodating to female Ambassadors), is free to listen to us or not.

(EXAMPLE ONLY)



Make sense?
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Sure, this aggregation process must be what their going through with the 305 emails. Several of them agqregated together could make them classified. Of course Hillary Clinton could not see this.

Great fake story by the way. Do you put (EXAMPLE ONLY) to protect yourself?
 
pbrauer said:
Sure, this aggregation process must be what their going through with the 305 emails
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Nope. Aggregating unclass data to make classified is (comparatively) rare. In about 8 years I saw it..... maybe three times. Another guy here wrote a post about it happening in his career... once.

What is likely happening with the 305 emails is a series of dirty word searches and SME searches.

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So, for example, if an email without a classification stamp says "Hey, isn't General Smith going to launch a coup against Prime Minister Jones if he tries to impose budget cuts on the military?", then that information needs to go to the DIA, the CIA, the NSA, et. al. to see if it came from a defense source, a cia source, a sigint source, or what, and what the original classification was.

Another layer of complication can come when you have imperfect match between a document whose classification you are trying to ascertain, classified reporting, and unclassified reporting. So, for example, if we did have a highly placed HUMINT source that had confirmed General Smith's evil plans, which was SECRET//HCS//NOFORN, but also an article from Reuters which includes

"Coup rumors have been circling the capital of Arcadia as Prime Minister Jones prepares for a showdown with the military... General Smith was quoted as saying that Prime Minister Jones should put first emphasis on defending the country, or the results could be disastrous"​

then you also need to check up on the security clearance of the individual who generated the unclassified email. If they had access to the SECRET//HCS//NOFORN report, then they've just put something classified that they read onto an unclassified email. If they have no clearance, or are not cleared for HCS, then it is possible they didn't get that information from classified sources, and are simply taking a wild assumptive leap off of the Reuters article.

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I've dealt with a few FOIA requests where you have to go back and search through all your own records for "Anything Pertaining To X", etc. It's a pain. My (uninformed) bet is that the process looks similar, but with a few extra database searches.


Several of them agqregated together could make them classified. Of course Hillary Clinton could not see this.
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Two emails of unclass in an inbox cannot aggregate together to make classified unless you paste the one into the other, or put information from both into a third document.


Great fake story by the way. Do you put (EXAMPLE ONLY) to protect yourself?
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I sure as hell do. :lol: It's probably completely unnecessary given the context and the discussion, but I'd rather err on the side of caution than ever get caught up in a dirty word search and hauled in to explain myself.
 
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cpwill said:
Nope. Aggregating unclass data to make classified is (comparatively) rare. In about 8 years I saw it..... maybe three times. Another guy here wrote a post about it happening in his career... once.

What is likely happening with the 305 emails is a series of dirty word searches and SME searches.

EXAMPLE ONLY

So, for example, if an email without a classification stamp says "Hey, isn't General Smith going to launch a coup against Prime Minister Jones if he tries to impose budget cuts on the military?", then that information needs to go to the DIA, the CIA, the NSA, et. al. to see if it came from a defense source, a cia source, a sigint source, or what, and what the original classification was.

Another layer of complication can come when you have imperfect match between a document whose classification you are trying to ascertain, classified reporting, and unclassified reporting. So, for example, if we did have a highly placed HUMINT source that had confirmed General Smith's evil plans, which was SECRET//HCS//NOFORN, but also an article from Reuters which includes

"Coup rumors have been circling the capital of Arcadia as Prime Minister Jones prepares for a showdown with the military... General Smith was quoted as saying that Prime Minister Jones should put first emphasis on defending the country, or the results could be disastrous"​

then you also need to check up on the security clearance of the individual who generated the unclassified email. If they had access to the SECRET//HCS//NOFORN report, then they've just put something classified that they read onto an unclassified email. If they have no clearance, or are not cleared for HCS, then it is possible they didn't get that information from classified sources, and are simply taking a wild assumptive leap off of the Reuters article.

/EXAMPLE ONLY

I've dealt with a few FOIA requests where you have to go back and search through all your own records for "Anything Pertaining To X", etc. It's a pain. My (uninformed) bet is that the process looks similar, but with a few extra database searches.




Two emails of unclass in an inbox cannot aggregate together to make classified unless you paste the one into the other, or put information from both into a third document.




I sure as hell do. :lol: It's probably completely unnecessary given the context and the discussion, but I'd rather err on the side of caution than ever get caught up in a dirty word search and hauled in to explain myself.
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Except for those Top Secret emails, Hillary Clinton as head of the State Dept gets to determine what is classified and what is not. Those top secret emails were sent to her unmarked so she had no idea what was there.
 
ballantine said:
He looks like he's whacked out on something. lol - is that a macramé bracelet on his wrist? :lamo
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No, I think it's because he has to behave himself, with Hillary running an all. Must be a terrible strain on him, no more visits to pleasure island and stuff.
 
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