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MSNBC cancels 3 Liberal Shows

pbrauer said:
So you're saying Hillary Clinton is not electable? Have you no faith sir?
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Oh she's very electable, that's the problem. Her supporters have low standards.
 
fmw said:
That is my current opinion. I think she has been damaged beyond repair in the eyes of the electorate. I did see this morning that one poll (I didn't pay to attention to which one) said that a race between Biden and Trump would be a virtual tie. Sounds like democrats want a replacement for Hillary.
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You should not place too much faith in polls as they will change from day to day up to election days. You may think the Democrats want a replacement for Hillary, but its not going to happen.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps the biggest problem is their liberal commentary required too much commitment to hear. Their target audience is likely more entranced with quick headlines and bullet points that don't required much thought. If the issue can't be explained in a tweet, it's too complex to register.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but for the most part TV reality programming we call "news" and "commentary" more often than not makes me stupider than not watching and I see no benefit to doing so, and don't. I'd rather read. If it's a topic I care about, I can learn far more in an hour online than watching an hour of MSNBC et al.

And if you think that watching Fox News or conservative commentary takes commitment or thought, you're severely delusional and should probably seek help for your condition...
 
pbrauer said:
The reason those show are failing, is because liberals don't watch or listen to political talk as much as the right does. Liberal talk did pretty well on radio and TV during the Iraq war but when that wound down and Obama was elected the audience started to go away.
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The reason that the shows are failing is that they are unwatchable.
 
JasperL said:
I can't speak for anyone else, but for the most part TV reality programming we call "news" and "commentary" more often than not makes me stupider than not watching and I see no benefit to doing so, and don't. I'd rather read. If it's a topic I care about, I can learn far more in an hour online than watching an hour of MSNBC et al.

And if you think that watching Fox News or conservative commentary takes commitment or thought, you're severely delusional and should probably seek help for your condition...
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LOL

You write of a condition that may require special attention. Considering I made no mention of Fox News, you just might make that appointment, since your obsession is quite evident.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

You write of a condition that may require special attention. Considering I made no mention of Fox News, you just might make that appointment, since your obsession is quite evident.
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The OP is about MSNBC, and you mentioned "liberal commentary." A rough parallel to that on the right is Fox News and "conservative commentary." If that's too hard for you, I apologize... :roll:
 
Fletch said:
How in the hell did Sharpton survive?? Oh wait, silly question.

I cant speak for the cycle or Alex Wagner since I never watched them, but the Ed Show just wasn't very good. I like Hardball and I like the guy that comes on later with the glasses, but Ed and Sharpton are just unwatchable. Liberal shows can survive, they just need better hosts.
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His good looks and his sophisticated speech pattern (and he's black)
 
US Conservative said:
I think its because nobody wants to listen to the gibberish of the left.
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Hence their wanting to re-instate the fairness doctrine, to have a captured audience, as they are unable to get and hold onto their own.
 
pbrauer said:
You should not place too much faith in polls as they will change from day to day up to election days. You may think the Democrats want a replacement for Hillary, but its not going to happen.
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I think that pretty much seals the deal for a Republican White House then? Oh. OK.

Because, yes, Hillary IS unelectable, mainly due to her ad judgement about her exclusive use of her email server during her tenure as SoS.

Her purposeful non-compliance with the government records law compounded with the continuous stream of confidential and secret documents sent to that unsecured and uncontrolled server represent such a legal threat to her and her campaign, that it seems very likely that she's going to face criminal charges. Can't win a presidency with that following you around.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hence their wanting to re-instate the fairness doctrine, to have a captured audience, as they are unable to get and hold onto their own.
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there is virtually nobody who wants to re-instate the fairness doctrine.
 
JasperL said:
The OP is about MSNBC, and you mentioned "liberal commentary." A rough parallel to that on the right is Fox News and "conservative commentary." If that's too hard for you, I apologize... :roll:
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Not hard for me, but apparently so for you.

My comment was that the method of delivery was not in keeping with the way liberal minded people prefer to get information. It would seem they prefer bullet points and tweets, that kind of thing. Liberal radio has not been successful, and the shows on MSNBC haven't pulled any audience. Compare that to Colbert, or the other "news" shows that did pull audience numbers, and where information is presented in just a few sound bites and giggles, and it seems some conclusion can be drawn. Newspapers are quite liberal, and they are failing, so it's quick hits on smart phones and websites.

Of course, as usual, you have to flip it around and make it personal. That is getting rather tedious.
 
ocean515 said:
Not hard for me, but apparently so for you.

My comment was that the method of delivery was not in keeping with the way liberal minded people prefer to get information. It would seem they prefer bullet points and tweets, that kind of thing. Liberal radio has not been successful, and the shows on MSNBC haven't pulled any audience. Compare that to Colbert, or the other "news" shows that did pull audience numbers, and where information is presented in just a few sound bites and giggles, and it seems some conclusion can be drawn. Newspapers are quite liberal, and they are failing, so it's quick hits on smart phones and websites.

Of course, as usual, you have to flip it around and make it personal. That is getting rather tedious.
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Your assertions about how "liberal minded people" prefer to get information is baseless. There are hundreds of liberal web sites, some of them write whole paragraphs, lots of liberals are academics who read books and everything, and if you think Twitter is just tweets you must not use twitter. The most useful part of twitter and why I use it is that good writers generally link to their latest work with a quick description of what it talks about, so it's sort of a news aggregator. Other than that it's nothing more than mindless fun, but it's impossible to get "news" from 140 characters. And I don't know any liberal who does, and it's also true lots of conservatives are on twitter with equally mindless tweets to their name. Including millions of Trump's followers.

And the reasons for conservative talk radio dominance aren't really relevant to your point. Talk radio is the laziest possible way to get information - a host like Rush Limbaugh spends 3 hours a day giving you biased commentary on exactly what you should think. It requires no effort - just nod your head and agree with the host. Same with the reality TV we call 24 hour news. If there's a segment longer than 3 or 4 minutes, it's a rarity. And TV news requires no thought or effort, especially if it's ideologically slanted like Fox on the right and MSNBC on the left. You're almost certain to hear little to nothing to challenge your predominate world view, so you get to listen, nod your head, never forced to consider alternate opinions and go to sleep validated. I find cable "news" worthless to understanding ANYTHING, frankly, unless it's what someone said on video, or how many got killed in some disaster, and I can read those somewhere if what was said is important.

Finally, newspapers aren't failing because they're liberal, it's because their business model is under attack from the online world where news is provided for free. Anyone younger than about 40 will probably never subscribe to a physical paper - they'll get it online and so much is available free of charge there is little need to pay for a subscription, and online advertising is doesn't pay the bills, especially as so many apps are available to block it entirely or nearly so.

So you made a dumb assertion backed by nothing but that allows you to feign superiority over liberals. Fail all the way around.
 
JasperL said:
Your assertions about how "liberal minded people" prefer to get information is baseless. There are hundreds of liberal web sites, some of them write whole paragraphs, lots of liberals are academics who read books and everything, and if you think Twitter is just tweets you must not use twitter. The most useful part of twitter and why I use it is that good writers generally link to their latest work with a quick description of what it talks about, so it's sort of a news aggregator. Other than that it's nothing more than mindless fun, but it's impossible to get "news" from 140 characters. And I don't know any liberal who does, and it's also true lots of conservatives are on twitter with equally mindless tweets to their name. Including millions of Trump's followers.

And the reasons for conservative talk radio dominance aren't really relevant to your point. Talk radio is the laziest possible way to get information - a host like Rush Limbaugh spends 3 hours a day giving you biased commentary on exactly what you should think. It requires no effort - just nod your head and agree with the host. Same with the reality TV we call 24 hour news. If there's a segment longer than 3 or 4 minutes, it's a rarity. And TV news requires no thought or effort, especially if it's ideologically slanted like Fox on the right and MSNBC on the left. You're almost certain to hear little to nothing to challenge your predominate world view, so you get to listen, nod your head, never forced to consider alternate opinions and go to sleep validated. I find cable "news" worthless to understanding ANYTHING, frankly, unless it's what someone said on video, or how many got killed in some disaster, and I can read those somewhere if what was said is important.

Finally, newspapers aren't failing because they're liberal, it's because their business model is under attack from the online world where news is provided for free. Anyone younger than about 40 will probably never subscribe to a physical paper - they'll get it online and so much is available free of charge there is little need to pay for a subscription, and online advertising is doesn't pay the bills, especially as so many apps are available to block it entirely or nearly so.

So you made a dumb assertion backed by nothing but that allows you to feign superiority over liberals. Fail all the way around.
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It's not baseless, it's based on evidence and failure of many liberal slanted shows and media types failing in the market place. Thanks for trying, but you've failed.
 
ocean515 said:
It's not baseless, it's based on evidence and failure of many liberal slanted shows and media types failing in the market place. Thanks for trying, but you've failed.
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LOL.

Liberal shows failed ====> liberals like their news in soundbites. Can't see any way to breach that reasoning....:lamo
 
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