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MTP Panel Treats Planned Parenthood Video As Authentic

Cardinal said:
And you were shown to be lying when you said Google, the Globe, CNN, the Dallas Morning News and the Washington Post were reporting this.
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Nope, not lying. You have just been shown to be in CYA mode where you continue to change your claim to avoid admitting you were too hasty.

FYI, the Google News feed was on Planned Parenthood. That was back when I figured you were an honest debater and were just looking for news stories. I know better than to trust you now.
 
jmotivator said:
Nope, not lying. You have just been shown to be in CYA mode where you continue to change your claim to avoid admitting you were too hasty.

FYI, the Google News feed was on Planned Parenthood. That was back when I figured you were an honest debater and were just looking for news stories. I know better than to trust you now.
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Take a screen cap of any of the front pages of the publications you mentioned.
 
jmotivator said:
The Robinhood syndrome doesn't change the nature of the initial act. If they sell the baby parts for more than cost then they made a profit on it regardless of what they did with the profit. And it isn't even clear that selling organs for cost is legal either.

In Pete's world if you crush someone to death with your car, extract their organs and sell them for the cost of the gas you burned plus a little extra, and then donate the little extra money to a local clinic you have committed the perfect crime.
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They are not selling fetuses or parts, because its against federal law. When a woman who is getting the abortion decides to donate the fetus, extra costs are involved so it will be useful to science. Storage, transportation and the way the abortion is done add to the cost. If the woman doesn't sign the consent form, I believe the fetus is sucked out and put into medical waste. The reason they are talking about the costs is because they want to fool the viewer they are talking about purchase price.

Here a link to the law. Be sure to read the last paragraph when it's talking about these costs.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2
 
By the way jmotivator, I've already screen capped the first pages of those publications, so if you're stalling for time, don't even think about it.

Google has as of now added the Fox story that I mentioned earlier.
 
pbrauer said:
They are not selling fetuses or parts, because its against federal law. When a woman who is getting the abortion decides to donate the fetus, extra costs are involved so it will be useful to science. Storage, transportation and the way the abortion is done add to the cost. If the woman doesn't sign the consent form, I believe the fetus is sucked out and put into medical waste. The reason they are talking about the costs is because they want to fool the viewer they are talking about purchase price.

Here a link to the law. Be sure to read the last paragraph when it's talking about these costs.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2
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I am aware of the convoluted excuse issued by planned Parenthood. In the end, after all the Planned Parenthood bull crap, Planned Parent hood takes baby parts in their possession, gives them to a company when gives them money. That is selling the body parts.

Would they give the body parts to the other company without payment?
 
“For whatever we could procure, they would get a certain percentage. The main nurse was always trying to make sure we got our specimens. No one else really cared, but the main nurse did because she knew that Planned Parenthood was getting compensated.”
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“I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”
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“We’ve been using them for over 10 years, really a long time, you know, just kind of renegotiated the contract. They’re doing the big government-level collections and things like that.”
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$$$$$
 
Cardinal said:
By the way jmotivator, I've already screen capped the first pages of those publications, so if you're stalling for time, don't even think about it.

Google has as of now added the Fox story that I mentioned earlier.
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I'll grant that some of those links in Google were not about the new video (Globe and Mail and WaPo were about the staying power of the story) but then I shouldn't have tried to prove a point that I didn't believe to be valuable anyway (that the number of news stories in the first few hours is indicative of the interest in the story). CNN released their story about an hour and a half ago, and I wouldn't expect the new story to have legs for at least another 12 to 24 hours.

Anti-abortion group releases third Planned Parenthood video - CNNPolitics.com

But, again, as to my original point, the video hasn't been out a day yet.
 
jmotivator said:
I am aware of the convoluted excuse issued by planned Parenthood. In the end, after all the Planned Parenthood bull crap, Planned Parent hood takes baby parts in their possession, gives them to a company when gives them money. That is selling the body parts.

Would they give the body parts to the other company without payment?
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Apparently you didn't read the law I gave you.
 
pbrauer said:
Apparently you didn't read the law I gave you.
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Nope, I read it. That is not the discussion being shown in these videos. They are haggling prices, adjusting techniques to maximize value of organs, and taking more in in compensation than was their costs.

At the very least we need to seize Planned Parenthood's accounting books to see the cost-vs-compensation of these procedures.
 
That's assuming that none of the business transactions is off-book.
 
jmotivator said:
Nope, I read it. That is not the discussion being shown in these videos. They are haggling prices, adjusting techniques to maximize value of organs, and taking more in in compensation than was their costs.

At the very least we need to seize Planned Parenthood's accounting books to see the cost-vs-compensation of these procedures.
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They were not haggling over prices they were discussing reimburment of extra costs involved to which the law speaks to.

(3) The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2
 
cpwill said:
Naturally, naturally, naturally, no one's looking to make money on this, why, that'd be ridiculous. We're just a group of do-gooders out here doing good for the good of the patient and the community and puppies, and stuff. That'll be $500, by the way, and if you don't have it in by next Wednesday we may need to crush some of your less valuable parts, if you get my drift. That sure is a nice picture of your 30th trimester fetus getting off the school bus, it'd be a shame if his lungs turned out to be more valuable outside his body, know what I mean?





Seriously. PP is caught selling organs from murdered children and the response is "But, but, but, their internal messaging is that they aren't doing it for the money! They're doing it for the patient! The money they just, you know, sort of happened to have forgotten to give to the patient and gosh, well, she's gone now, oh well, guess we'll put it to some good use.....""


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Aborted fetuses are not "murdered children." Your asinine appeals to emotion will not change that.
 
Boy, the righties have their marching orders and they are NOT deviating from the script, no matter how much context is added to their deceptively trimmed quotes.
 
Grim17 said:
You are so invested in the politics of this, and rely so exclusively on the talking points issued by PP and extreme far left websites, that you embrace a perspective that simply isn't grounded in reality.

The release of the full, unedited videos within 24 hours of the release of the time edited ones, makes any discussion about the validity of the videos null and void. The "deceptive editing" argument has been relegated to "political talking points" status and is seen as nothing more than a distraction... something that every real, credible journalist understands, no matter how liberal they are. The discussion is centered around what those 2 women from Planned Parenthood said on those undercover videos, just as it should be.

Wake up Pete.
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Your impression of the situation comes entirely from the edited videos. Your defense of "but the full videos exist" is ludicrous because you haven't watched them and never will.
 
Parker: The Tipping Point

It took three videos showing Planned Parenthood doctors and executives discussing the culling and retailing of aborted baby parts, but Hillary Clinton finally managed to say that she found the videos “disturbing.”
For a professional politician like Clinton, whose every word is vetted by the vast right lobe of her brain, “disturbing” in the vernacular of less-scripted folk would be something like “horrifying” or “vile.”
But Clinton, whose base includes supporters of Planned Parenthood , as well as the mega-fundraising, pro-choice Emily’s List, tiptoed out on a limb. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it brave, but I also wouldn’t underestimate its significance. Even a passionately pro-choice presidential candidate has to pause at this juncture.
A tipping point may have already been reached, however, as people recoil from that which cannot be denied. Where once many could avert our eyes from the details of abortion, the details are now all we see and, thanks to the videos, hear. . . .
 
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