Fox News Sunday / Planned Parenthood Video

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

So I watched FNS this morning. When Chris Wallace announced the next segment would be about the video, I anxiously waited to watch it. But the panel and Chris Wallace didn't talk about it much, they never brought up that it might be edited (it was). They talked about the value of the tissues. Heavens no, they would not want their faithful viewers know they might have been deceived (they were). This is I guess, is the "Fair & Balanced" way. This is Fox News version of 'fair'.

Derp · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
So I watched FNS this morning. When Chris Wallace announced the next segment would be about the video, I anxiously waited to watch it. But the panel and Chris Wallace didn't talk about it much, they never brought up that it might be edited (it was). They talked about the value of the tissues. Heavens no, they would not want their faithful viewers know they might have been deceived (they were). This is I guess, is the "Fair & Balanced" way. This is Fox News version of 'fair'.

So he didn't say what you wanted him to say and this is Media Bias. How So?

"might" you seemed conflicted.

nota bene · Jul 19, 2015

I think you're making a mistake in insinuating that Chris Wallace was being deceptive because he didn't talk about what you wanted him to talk about.

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

Derp said:
So he didn't say what you wanted him to say and this is Media Bias. How So?

"might" you seemed conflicted.

nota bene said:
I think you're making a mistake in insinuating that Chris Wallace was being deceptive because he didn't talk about what you wanted him to talk about.

He didn't talk about the video, I expected him to that at least.

Derp · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
He didn't talk about the video, I expected him to that at least.

Chris Wallace announced the next segment would be about the video,

Chris Wallace didn't talk about it much

I didn't watch it but it sounds like they did talk about it just not what you wanted to hear... you seemed confused now.

CanadaJohn · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
He didn't talk about the video, I expected him to that at least.

Perhaps you're not used to people discussing serious issues rather than the minutia around process. I too watched the segment and they had an interesting discussion about the issues of both selling aborted fetuses for profit and the process of abortion being used to enhance the sale value of the aborted fetus. And Jane Harman made some interesting comments about the value of stem cells in disease cure research, which, in my view, added "fair and balanced" content to the discussion.

This, of course, is just another example of you not being able to see the forest for the trees.

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
Perhaps you're not used to people discussing serious issues rather than the minutia around process. I too watched the segment and they had an interesting discussion about the issues of both selling aborted fetuses for profit and the process of abortion being used to enhance the sale value of the aborted fetus. And Jane Harman made some interesting comments about the value of stem cells in disease cure research, which, in my view, added "fair and balanced" content to the discussion.

This, of course, is just another ex
ample of you not being able to see the forest for the trees.

That deceptive video smeared Planned Parenthood and you don't think that's a serious issue? Their discussion about selling fetuses is moot because the practice is against federal law.

beefheart · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
So I watched FNS this morning. When Chris Wallace announced the next segment would be about the video, I anxiously waited to watch it. But the panel and Chris Wallace didn't talk about it much, they never brought up that it might be edited (it was). They talked about the value of the tissues. Heavens no, they would not want their faithful viewers know they might have been deceived (they were). This is I guess, is the "Fair & Balanced" way. This is Fox News version of 'fair'.

Its Fox, gotta keep them angry and ignorant!

CanadaJohn · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
That deceptive video smeared Planned Parenthood and you don't think that's a serious issue? Their discussion about selling fetuses is moot because the practice is against federal law.

The national President of Planned Parenthood didn't think it was a smear and she created a public video apologizing for the tone and content of the video and the conduct of her associate, the doctor, in the video. If she thought it was a smear, wouldn't she have claimed so?

If you watched the Fox segment, you saw part of her apology, so you must know this but you conveniently ignore it - that's what bias really looks like.

bubbabgone · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
So I watched FNS this morning. When Chris Wallace announced the next segment would be about the video, I anxiously waited to watch it. But the panel and Chris Wallace didn't talk about it much, they never brought up that it might be edited (it was). They talked about the value of the tissues. Heavens no, they would not want their faithful viewers know they might have been deceived (they were). This is I guess, is the "Fair & Balanced" way. This is Fox News version of 'fair'.

But you said you never watched the video and you relied on Media Matters so how do you know it was edited?
I know I know, the juxtaposition of fair & balanced and Media Matters on this or any thread is silly but waddya gonna do ... as a joke it's a natural.
Say ... what was at 12:31:50 to 60 on the video anyway?

bubbabgone · Jul 19, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
The national President of Planned Parenthood didn't think it was a smear and she created a public video apologizing for the tone and content of the video and the conduct of her associate, the doctor, in the video. If she thought it was a smear, wouldn't she have claimed so?

If you watched the Fox segment, you saw part of her apology, so you must know this but you conveniently ignore it - that's what bias really looks like.

You might say the reporting of the segment was edited.

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
The national President of Planned Parenthood didn't think it was a smear and she created a public video apologizing for the tone and content of the video and the conduct of her associate, the doctor, in the video. If she thought it was a smear, wouldn't she have claimed so?

If you watched the Fox segment, you saw part of her apology, so you must know this but you conveniently ignore it - that's what bias really looks like.

I don't think she would say it's a smear as that would create more outrage besides I doubt she knew exacty what had happened. The best she could do was to point a finger at her associate. She certainly didn't admit to the selling of fetuses and parts.

CanadaJohn · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
I don't think she would say it's a smear as that would create more outrage besides I doubt she knew exacty what had happened. The best she could do was to point a finger at her associate. She certainly didn't admit to the selling of fetuses and parts.

Of course she didn't admit to that - to do so would be to confess to a felony. I never claimed she was stupid.

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

bubbabgone said:
But you said you never watched the video and you relied on Media Matters so how do you know it was edited?
I know I know, the juxtaposition of fair & balanced and Media Matters on this or any thread is silly but waddya gonna do ... as a joke it's a natural.
Say ... what was at 12:31:50 to 60 on the video anyway?

if I said I haven't watched the video I probably have not done so at that time but I have watched it several times.

If you want to see how the video was manipulated, go to Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs site: The Full Planned Parenthood "Sting" Video Reveals Right Wing Deception Tactics - Little Green Footballs

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
Of course she didn't admit to that - to do so would be to confess to a felony. I never claimed she was stupid.

You are correct you haven't said she is stupid. She actually did a good thing by transferring some of the heat to her associate. She had to say something was bad.

CanadaJohn · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
You are correct you haven't said she is stupid. She actually did a good thing by transferring some of the heat to her associate. She had to say something was bad.

I agree with that, totally.

bubbabgone · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
if I said I haven't watched the video I probably have not done so at that time but I have watched it several times.

If you want to see how the video was manipulated, go to Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs site: The Full Planned Parenthood "Sting" Video Reveals Right Wing Deception Tactics - Little Green Footballs

You know you had said you didn't watch the video because there was no need since you read the transcript of the 8 minutes from Media Matters.
This is progress.
So what was said at 12:31:50 to 60 on the video.
This is important and I'll tell you why if you answer.

Grim17 · Jul 19, 2015

beefheart said:
Its Fox, gotta keep them angry and ignorant!

So what was your assessment of the segment?

bubbabgone · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
if I said I haven't watched the video I probably have not done so at that time but I have watched it several times.

If you want to see how the video was manipulated, go to Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs site: The Full Planned Parenthood "Sting" Video Reveals Right Wing Deception Tactics - Little Green Footballs

Buyer: Okay. And so of that number, how much would personality of the personnel in there, would play into it as far as how we’re speaking to them—

PP: I think for affiliates, at the end of the day, they’re a non-profit, they just don’t want to—they want to break even. And if they can do a little better than break even, and do so in a way that seems reasonable, they’re happy to do that. Really their bottom line is, they want to break even. Every penny they save is a just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get.

Your little green balls didn't reproduce that segment but it's that piece that says out loud that some affiliates are recovering more than their cost which makes it a profit regardless of what they do with it. And she wasn't really that subtle about what she was suggesting.

code1211 · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
That deceptive video smeared Planned Parenthood and you don't think that's a serious issue? Their discussion about selling fetuses is moot because the practice is against federal law.

Why do you dismiss this when Planned Parenthood did not?

Planned parenthood seems to think she is a staff member and was reprimanded, but not dismissed.

Odd how you don't think that reality is real.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/planned-parenthood-leader-apologizes-for-video.html?_r=0
<snip>
WASHINGTON — The president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Cecile Richards, apologized Thursday for what she called the lack of compassion shown by a staff member who was secretly recorded describing how affiliates provide tissue from aborted fetuses to researchers.

The official shown in the video, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, the senior director of medical services, remains employed by Planned Parenthood, according to a spokesman for the organization, but “she has been reprimanded.”
<snip>

code1211 · Jul 19, 2015

beefheart said:
Its Fox, gotta keep them angry and ignorant!

Planned Parenthood apologized for the comments made in the video.

They did not say the comments were not made.

Are you sure you have the ignorant included in the correct camp on this?

Interesting that these "tissue masses" have lungs and organs and leg muscles.

code1211 · Jul 19, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
The national President of Planned Parenthood didn't think it was a smear and she created a public video apologizing for the tone and content of the video and the conduct of her associate, the doctor, in the video. If she thought it was a smear, wouldn't she have claimed so?

If you watched the Fox segment, you saw part of her apology, so you must know this but you conveniently ignore it - that's what bias really looks like.

Liberals have a vast and well developed ability to remember only selectively.

code1211 · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
I don't think she would say it's a smear as that would create more outrage besides I doubt she knew exacty what had happened. The best she could do was to point a finger at her associate. She certainly didn't admit to the selling of fetuses and parts.

Did she directly and unequivocally deny that this is happening?

If not, Qui tacet consentiret.

pbrauer · Jul 19, 2015

bubbabgone said:
Your little green balls didn't reproduce that segment but it's that piece that says out loud that some affiliates are recovering more than their cost which makes it a profit regardless of what they do with it. And she wasn't really that subtle about what she was suggesting.

if you look at the whole quote and not just what you highlighted they aren't making a profit. The little they might get extra covers where they don't get enough to cover costs. BFD

Grim17 · Jul 19, 2015

pbrauer said:
if you look at the whole quote and not just what you highlighted they aren't making a profit. The little they might get extra covers where they don't get enough to cover costs. BFD

There is a name for that little extra Pete... It's called "Profit" and it's against the law.

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