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Fox for the Left?

disneydude said:
LOL....you actually BELIEVE that there is an "honest debate" taking place on FOX? The so-called "Liberals" that they put up are nothing more than props who argue on talking points fed to them that play easily into the FauxNews narrative. THAT is the biggest problem with Fox. They pretend that they are a legitimate news source and apparently it is working to fool some people.
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If what you say were true then I would have a revelation by hearing something from real liberals like you that I hadn't already heard from Fox. Not the case, sorry. I get the same liberal responses there I get here or at the Daily Kos. I've heard the Daily Kos quoted many times. What you don't like is that they don't support those positions, because they do present them. The big news today was the agreement with Iran. They broadcast Obama's speech in its entirety. Then they had folks from both sides of the aisle present opinions about what he said both positive and negative. Nobody has read the thing. That is about all you can do to be balanced under the circumstances. Perhaps if you actually listened to Fox you would better understand what I said.

What do you think would occur if Trump and Palin were the candidates against Bernie Sanders? None of those people will be the candidates but what would your prediction be?
 
disneydude said:
Two responses:1. While I agree as you say that there are sites such as Daily Kos, Moveon....etc that have as much left-wing bias as Foxnews has right-wing bias....the difference is that they don't pretend to be "fair and balanced" media sources. They clearly state what they are, as compared to Foxnews, which wants you to believe that they are a non-biased legitimate news source.2. Foxnews has been busted more times than the other sources you mentioned for putting out not just left/right leaning spin, but outright misinformation.
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Case in point:
Sean Hannity Uses Glenn Beck's Protest Footage - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
 
fmw said:
What do you think would occur if Trump and Palin were the candidates against Bernie Sanders? None of those people will be the candidates but what would your prediction be?
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Good question....not really sure. Bernie is pretty far out left....but Trump and Palin are such major nutjobs that I don't know what would happen. I start with the premise that 1/3 of the electorate are pretty wacko themselves (29% still believe that GWB was a good President)....so those people are going to vote for Trump/Palin straight off the bat. What the other 61% would do in that scenario is a crapshoot.
 
disneydude said:
Good question....not really sure. Bernie is pretty far out left....but Trump and Palin are such major nutjobs that I don't know what would happen. I start with the premise that 1/3 of the electorate are pretty wacko themselves (29% still believe that GWB was a good President)....so those people are going to vote for Trump/Palin straight off the bat. What the other 61% would do in that scenario is a crapshoot.
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Let's start with the statement that "Bernie is pretty far out left." Is he more left than Lyndon Johnson, who established Medicare? Is he more left than Richard Nixon, who started the EPA? Is he more left than FDR, who started Social Security and the New Deal? In their time each of those presidents were considered mainstream center politicians. Nixon was considered conservative compared to his Democratic Party rivals. They all won t heir elections by landslides.

What has happened is that the definition of "moderate" has shifted, due to the Republicans moving far to the right. Would today's Republicans say what popular Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower said?

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few other Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”
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Bernie Sanders believes in what traditional Democrats believed in 50 years ago, a strong and secure middle-class that is protected by labor laws and unions; a relatively steep progressive income tax that limits inequality and regulations that prevent corporations from exploiting the environment and economy.
 
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disneydude said:
Good question....not really sure. Bernie is pretty far out left....but Trump and Palin are such major nutjobs that I don't know what would happen. I start with the premise that 1/3 of the electorate are pretty wacko themselves (29% still believe that GWB was a good President)....so those people are going to vote for Trump/Palin straight off the bat. What the other 61% would do in that scenario is a crapshoot.
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In that specific scenario, I think Sanders would win, and pretty easily. I define "pretty easily" as 55% to 45% of the popular vote, roughly.

However, once in office, he would face severe opposition from conservatives that might make the Obama opposition seem like child's play.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....you actually BELIEVE that there is an "honest debate" taking place on FOX? The so-called "Liberals" that they put up are nothing more than props who argue on talking points fed to them that play easily into the FauxNews narrative. THAT is the biggest problem with Fox. They pretend that they are a legitimate news source and apparently it is working to fool some people.
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Which Fox News shows do you watch every day?
 
disneydude said:
Good question....not really sure. Bernie is pretty far out left....but Trump and Palin are such major nutjobs that I don't know what would happen. I start with the premise that 1/3 of the electorate are pretty wacko themselves (29% still believe that GWB was a good President)....so those people are going to vote for Trump/Palin straight off the bat. What the other 61% would do in that scenario is a crapshoot.
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Don't act as if the ones who lean right are the only ones who will vote for the GOP candidate no matter what. You're about as Liberal as it gets, and I would bet my paycheck on the idea that you will vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter how awful he or she is.

But you're right, at least 1/3 of the voters are whacko. More than that, really. Look how many of you lined up to vote for Obama & Biden.
 
radcen said:
In that specific scenario, I think Sanders would win, and pretty easily. I define "pretty easily" as 55% to 45% of the popular vote, roughly.

However, once in office, he would face severe opposition from conservatives that might make the Obama opposition seem like child's play.
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No....Bernie's white. He wouldn't get the same level of disrespect that Obama has.
 
tres borrachos said:
Don't act as if the ones who lean right are the only ones who will vote for the GOP candidate no matter what. You're about as Liberal as it gets, and I would bet my paycheck on the idea that you will vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter how awful he or she is.

But you're right, at least 1/3 of the voters are whacko. More than that, really. Look how many of you lined up to vote for Obama & Biden.
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You are partially right. I would vote for the Democrat about 95% of the time. However, if a good moderate Republican were to get the nomination and indicated that he would not pursue the radical right-wing social agenda, I would consider voting for them. I almost always vote Dem....but I have voted for Republican mayors in Los Angeles before over the Dem...and if they would have put up the right candidate, I easily could have supported a moderate Republican for Governor over some of the Dems who have gotten the nod.
 
mpg said:
Instead of looking for an unbiased source, I prefer to get my news from multiple points of view. I do this mostly because I recognize the value of commentary, but also because it's almost impossible to find an unbiased source.
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BINGO. Thank you.
 
disneydude said:
You are partially right. I would vote for the Democrat about 95% of the time. However, if a good moderate Republican were to get the nomination and indicated that he would not pursue the radical right-wing social agenda, I would consider voting for them. I almost always vote Dem....but I have voted for Republican mayors in Los Angeles before over the Dem...and if they would have put up the right candidate, I easily could have supported a moderate Republican for Governor over some of the Dems who have gotten the nod.
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One of the reasons I respect you more than most posters on here is that you're honest. I admire that. I usually disagree with what you think, but I always appreciate your honesty.
 
tres borrachos said:
One of the reasons I respect you more than most posters on here is that you're honest. I admire that. I usually disagree with what you think, but I always appreciate your honesty.
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Thanks. I try not to pretend that I am anything that I'm not. I am about as far left as anyone on this site...and my views are very liberal. However, I am much more socially liberal than fiscally. I could support a fiscal moderate if I were assured that they would not appoint extreme conservative Supreme Court justices who would promote a socially conservative agenda. That is primarily my voting criteria. The Supreme Court is of utmost importance to me.
 
disneydude said:
Thanks. I try not to pretend that I am anything that I'm not. I am about as far left as anyone on this site...and my views are very liberal. However, I am much more socially liberal than fiscally. I could support a fiscal moderate if I were assured that they would not appoint extreme conservative Supreme Court justices who would promote a socially conservative agenda. That is primarily my voting criteria. The Supreme Court is of utmost importance to me.
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SC make-up is the only aspect that would cause me to vary from my ideologically preferred candidate. For me, though, I just want a roughly divided court. A divided court has issues, to be sure, but I do not want a packed court in either direction ideologically. That would be a travesty, IMO.
 
radcen said:
SC make-up is the only aspect that would cause me to vary from my ideologically preferred candidate. For me, though, I just want a roughly divided court. A divided court has issues, to be sure, but I do not want a packed court in either direction ideologically. That would be a travesty, IMO.
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I don't mind having a divided court necessarily, but right now the balance of the court is volatile. A Republican President could alter the court for the rest of my life at this point. Perhaps onces Ginsburg and Breyer are replaced by Hillary....I'd feel more comfortable with a Republican in the whitehouse.
 
If you combine the incompetence of CNN and the bias of MSNBC you get the Left's Fox News.
 
The left wont go to one single koolade source like Faux, that would be like herding cats.
 
In 2008, MSNBC definitely fit the bill...Hillary was too "conservative" for them. These days, while MSNBC is favored among progressives, it has toned it down, so thankfully its not Fox News. If they were, they'd be pushing Bernie Sanders.

I wish we could go back to the days before cable news.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The left wont go to one single koolade source like Faux, that would be like herding cats.
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They have choices. Conservatives have only one. Or didn't you notice?
 
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