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When women join the “fair and balanced” network, they get “Foxified” (1 Viewer)

You mean to tell me that there are people that worship a God they don't believe is the real God?

"Well, Yahweh's great and all, and I am loyal to him entirely, but I can't help but feel like that Horus fellah everyone keeps going on about might be the real deal!":lamo

I hate using the word all, besides, I've known a few people who think there are different gods and that whatever one you believe in is the one that becomes true.
 
How do you know its not based on merit? I don't know what you mean by "higher tiers" of reporting. Erin Andrews on CNN is gorgeous and even Rachel Maddow would be attractive if she gussied up a bit and lost the attitude. All the past female high powered news people were attractive and they wouldn't have gotten where they were without being at the top of their game. Its not mutually exclusive.

The underlying assumption with all this is that these ladies - who, as has been discussed are mostly sharp if not uber smart - are victims of exploitation and objectification. They're being objectified all the way to the bank, yo. Ultimately it comes down to ratings. Beautiful women get higher ratings. Fox or any other news outlet has no obligation to be "fair" to unattractive women.

Plus, everyone is forgetting Greta Van Susteren who occupies a spot on prime-time. She recently pushed Sean Hannity out of that spot. And it gain because of her looks.


Not as much as it used to be. Especially in the higher tiers of reporting, you will see older women, or women who are not as classically "attractive."

And yet, not at Fox. Fox is happy to hold onto the double standard, rather than push merit above looks.

You're proposing it's ok simply because they are currently doing it that way. It's not.
 
How do you know its not based on merit? I don't know what you mean by "higher tiers" of reporting. Erin Andrews on CNN is gorgeous and even Rachel Maddow would be attractive if she gussied up a bit and lost the attitude. All the past female high powered news people were attractive and they wouldn't have gotten where they were without being at the top of their game. Its not mutually exclusive.

The underlying assumption with all this is that these ladies - who, as has been discussed are mostly sharp if not uber smart - are victims of exploitation and objectification. They're being objectified all the way to the bank, yo. Ultimately it comes down to ratings. Beautiful women get higher ratings. Fox or any other news outlet has no obligation to be "fair" to unattractive women.

Plus, everyone is forgetting Greta Van Susteren who occupies a spot on prime-time. She recently pushed Sean Hannity out of that spot. And it gain because of her looks.

In local news media, you are likely to see doll-like people of both sexes. Local media usually relies on the anchors to do the actual reporting much less, so merit isn't quite as important.

See, this is just what I mean. Rachel Maddow "would be" attractive, if only she conformed to your standard of beauty.

Most people will find younger people in general to have some degree of attractiveness, and Maddow is a bit younger than most of her rank. But she is not conventionally attractive; she is reasonably fit, and seems to have good skin.

But that's not enough to you, because she doesn't fit your concept of "pretty," which presumably involves long bleached hair, short skirts, and more obviously colorful make-up (although Maddow, like all TV people of either sex, does wear a lot of make-up on set).

The fact is that Maddow never would have gotten a job at Fox, because Fox cares more about the sex appeal of their female anchors than they do the substance.

While MSNBC is, in my opinion, not any more watchable than Fox on the whole, this does display an obvious difference between the conservative concept of women and the liberal one. There's room for women with all kinds of looks in both mainstream and liberal media, but not in conservative media.

And no, not all networks put looks first, and MSNBC isn't alone. You think Fox would have hired Becky Anderson of CNN? How about Moira Stuart of the BBC? Absolutely not. Hell, I doubt they even would have hired Tamron Hall, despite the fact that she is very attractive. No matter how qualified they were, Fox would have thrown their resumes in the trash, because they're not blonde and scantily clad.

Oh, and that's another thing. Yes, the pretty female anchor is still common everywhere, but they get to wear normal clothes on other networks. Not on Fox. Anyway...

Fox requires sex appeal first, and merit second (granted, some of their anchors are very meritorious). Everyone else is slowly letting go of the idea that how women look is what defines them as a human being.

I don't claim to speak for how the women of Fox feel about the whole thing, and whether they feel objectified by it is ultimately all that matters on that particular front -- and as of yet, they are quite silent.

But the larger problem here is that Fox is staying in the stone age of viewing women as decoration and sex objects, while the rest of news media is slowly moving away from it at varying speeds.
 
At the end of the day, I don't need my news from "women with all kinds of looks". I just want it to be accurate. The news is created (sometimes literally) and written by producers. You only rarely get a glimpse of field reporters these days. Fox has James Rosen, CNN seems to have a bunch of dudes also. Candy Crawley (who probably fits into the category of women with "other looks" used to do field reporting but she is as biased as ****. What good is diversity if you end up getting crap?



In local news media, you are likely to see doll-like people of both sexes. Local media usually relies on the anchors to do the actual reporting much less, so merit isn't quite as important.

See, this is just what I mean. Rachel Maddow "would be" attractive, if only she conformed to your standard of beauty.

Most people will find younger people in general to have some degree of attractiveness, and Maddow is a bit younger than most of her rank. But she is not conventionally attractive; she is reasonably fit, and seems to have good skin.

But that's not enough to you, because she doesn't fit your concept of "pretty," which presumably involves long bleached hair, short skirts, and more obviously colorful make-up (although Maddow, like all TV people of either sex, does wear a lot of make-up on set).

The fact is that Maddow never would have gotten a job at Fox, because Fox cares more about the sex appeal of their female anchors than they do the substance.

While MSNBC is, in my opinion, not any more watchable than Fox on the whole, this does display an obvious difference between the conservative concept of women and the liberal one. There's room for women with all kinds of looks in both mainstream and liberal media, but not in conservative media.

And no, not all networks put looks first, and MSNBC isn't alone. You think Fox would have hired Becky Anderson of CNN? How about Moira Stuart of the BBC? Absolutely not. Hell, I doubt they even would have hired Tamron Hall, despite the fact that she is very attractive. No matter how qualified they were, Fox would have thrown their resumes in the trash, because they're not blonde and scantily clad.

Oh, and that's another thing. Yes, the pretty female anchor is still common everywhere, but they get to wear normal clothes on other networks. Not on Fox. Anyway...

Fox requires sex appeal first, and merit second (granted, some of their anchors are very meritorious). Everyone else is slowly letting go of the idea that how women look is what defines them as a human being.

I don't claim to speak for how the women of Fox feel about the whole thing, and whether they feel objectified by it is ultimately all that matters on that particular front -- and as of yet, they are quite silent.

But the larger problem here is that Fox is staying in the stone age of viewing women as decoration and sex objects, while the rest of news media is slowly moving away from it at varying speeds.
 
Slightly old video but seems apropos:

 
It may also be about competition. Having a not so good looking but intelligent woman and a both intelligent and a beautiful woman that applied for the position, whom would you pick?
 
Not at all out of line in the modern business environment, and certainly well inside the bounds of your late local news.:peace
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Kelly makes a good appearance on a TV screen and has a following of males to attest to that. That has nothing to do with journalism and much more to do with her continued involvement on the foxification culture.
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Please, keep demanding that Fox hire more attractive men! I'll be looking for a job there in a few years. But don't do it too much, I'd like for there to still be some ugly people left to replace when I get out of college!
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I stopped watching Fox soon after it started and stopped watch all TV news (except for local news weather and sports) soon after 9-11.
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I have a tip for you. It ain't the good looking blondes. It's their message.
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That image includes faux guest females whom are not under contract to dye their hair, wear lots of make-up, show their legs and make cute comments.

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The mere fact that Fox news is treated as a joke in underclass journalism education I think is more an indictment of how deep the liberal / progressive ideological indoctrination is in higher education, and in higher journalism education in particular.By what grounds were Fox news is treated as a joke? Perhaps the answer to this question would be most revealing.
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Go to college and find out first hand. Besides, that comment was anecdotal and only applies to my particular situation. Know the difference.
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Not sure what's the OP point?

That's simple... It's a combination of seething partisan hatred and that mythological "liberal tolerance" coming together for a meaningless and quite ridicules rant to mask the embarrassment of having an inept and incompetent president representing them in the White House.... Well, that's my guess anyway.
 
That's simple... It's a combination of seething partisan hatred and that mythological "liberal tolerance" coming together for a meaningless and quite ridicules rant to mask the embarrassment of having an inept and incompetent president representing them in the White House.... Well, that's my guess anyway.

This is true, but the other side of the spectrum can easily be just as guilty of this. I know this from personal experience with my own behavior at times.
 
Yep.

Why is it that those who come from a political leaning that claims to be tolerant of others, is so intolerant?
 
This is true, but the other side of the spectrum can easily be just as guilty of this. I know this from personal experience with my own behavior at times.

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As per usual, when the right wing brain camp converge upon an issue involving women, stupidity and sad comedy ensue.

Take this inane question: What is the OP’s point? Duh. Even if I were to dumb down my use of words to a 4th grade level, a few would still be clueless. If you go back to the article that introduced this thread; When women join the “fair and balanced” network, they get “Foxified”, I used this except;



"Fox News is a modern day Stepford factory for accomplished women. By turning professors and authors into porn star doppelgangers, the network effectively communicates what women say is not as important how they appear".​
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That explains everything to me but it has become painfully obvious that I’m dealing with a special breed of males hare who just have not been educated in the nuances of the colloquial use of the English language…simple stuff as taught in grade school.. I have to assume they are acting stupid as the alternative would be that they are indeed uneducated and illiterate. So it’s a game they play.

Some of the responses are also nonsensical to a point of humor, for example: seething partisan hatred. Hyperbolic to say the least and irrational at the most. The article is about the dress code at Fox news….pure and simple. But when such an idea falls into the hands of those whose mind are already obliquitous to rational thought, filled instead with their religiously driven, phallic dominated thoughts of a world where men are king and women exist to serve…don’t expect much in the line of intellectual discourse.

Don’t expect these men to say on topic nor even attempt an intelligent argument. Fortunately, despite their false bravado, they compose less that 2% of the total US male population. Given time though, their kind will pass away.

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As per usual, when the right wing brain camp converge upon an issue involving women, stupidity and sad comedy ensue.

Take this inane question: What is the OP’s point? Duh. Even if I were to dumb down my use of words to a 4th grade level, a few would still be clueless. If you go back to the article that introduced this thread; When women join the “fair and balanced” network, they get “Foxified”, I used this except;



"Fox News is a modern day Stepford factory for accomplished women. By turning professors and authors into porn star doppelgangers, the network effectively communicates what women say is not as important how they appear".​
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That explains everything to me but it has become painfully obvious that I’m dealing with a special breed of males hare who just have not been educated in the nuances of the colloquial use of the English language…simple stuff as taught in grade school.. I have to assume they are acting stupid as the alternative would be that they are indeed uneducated and illiterate. So it’s a game they play.

Some of the responses are also nonsensical to a point of humor, for example: seething partisan hatred. Hyperbolic to say the least and irrational at the most. The article is about the dress code at Fox news….pure and simple. But when such an idea falls into the hands of those whose mind are already obliquitous to rational thought, filled instead with their religiously driven, phallic dominated thoughts of a world where men are king and women exist to serve…don’t expect much in the line of intellectual discourse.

Don’t expect these men to say on topic nor even attempt an intelligent argument. Fortunately, despite their false bravado, they compose less that 2% of the total US male population. Given time though, their kind will pass away.

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That explains everything to me but it has become painfully obvious that I’m dealing with a special breed of males hare who just have not been educated in the nuances of the colloquial use of the English language…simple stuff as taught in grade school.. I have to assume they are acting stupid as the alternative would be that they are indeed uneducated and illiterate. So it’s a game they play.

Any chance you could point out such an example of illiteracy? I would enjoy evidence of our supposed stupidity. Also, you said "hare," instead of "here." So there's that.

I myself haven't really paid attention to the fact that there are so many blonde women on FNC. Apparently I was too focused on paying attention to what they were saying to notice my own disgusting, chauvinistic behavior.

Don’t expect these men to say on topic nor even attempt an intelligent argument. Fortunately, despite their false bravado, they compose less that 2% of the total US male population. Given time though, their kind will pass away.

I don't really have anything special to object to in this post. I just thought the two percent thing was neat, since I'm an INTJ personality type, who, for males, comprise slightly less than 2% of the US population! just an interesting coincidence.
 
Any chance you could point out such an example of illiteracy? I would enjoy evidence of our supposed stupidity. Also, you said "hare," instead of "here." So there's that. I myself haven't really paid attention to the fact that there are so many blonde women on FNC. Apparently I was too focused on paying attention to what they were saying to notice my own disgusting, chauvinistic behavior. I don't really have anything special to object to in this post. I just thought the two percent thing was neat, since I'm an INTJ personality type, who, for males, comprise slightly less than 2% of the US population! just an interesting coincidence.
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Not surprising, the poster here isn't too quick on the uptake, if lacking that ability altogether. First, he again avoids the topic, instead addressing an "opinion" of mine. As he cannot refute the blatant sexism that fox news lives by, which is the topic, he hopes to mislead people by asking a red herring question.

The simplex male mindset of attacking the messenger instead of the message betrays and inability to see the larger picture.

Just recently, faux news launched another overtly sexist program called; "Outnumbered" which has been described like this;

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"Even before its debut, it was evident that Roger Ailes' brainchild would be incredibly sexist. The name Outnumbered alone announces that the show operates from the perspective of its sole male guest, who must inevitably feel outnumbered in the presence of four female hosts (never mind the fact that many of Fox's current programs, like Fox & Friends or The Five, feature more male hosts than female yet carry no such designation).

Outnumbered likewise doesn't depart from Ailes' trademark exploitation of Fox women -- immediately evident in the no-pants dress code thus far for female anchors, whose legs are on prominent display and nearly always crossed toward the male guest du jour, known to the Twittersphere as #OneLuckyGuy."

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You will note the topic of this groups discussion: "New Briefs Designed To Protect Men From Electromagnetic Rays"
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Rather than having the women discussing hard hitting news and social events, faux once again shows it's disdain for women.
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Not surprising, the poster here isn't too quick on the uptake, if lacking that ability altogether. First, he again avoids the topic, instead addressing an "opinion" of mine. As he cannot refute the blatant sexism that fox news lives by, which is the topic, he hopes to mislead people by asking a red herring question.

The simplex male mindset of attacking the messenger instead of the message betrays and inability to see the larger picture.

Just recently, faux news launched another overtly sexist program called; "Outnumbered" which has been described like this;

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"Even before its debut, it was evident that Roger Ailes' brainchild would be incredibly sexist. The name Outnumbered alone announces that the show operates from the perspective of its sole male guest, who must inevitably feel outnumbered in the presence of four female hosts (never mind the fact that many of Fox's current programs, like Fox & Friends or The Five, feature more male hosts than female yet carry no such designation).

Outnumbered likewise doesn't depart from Ailes' trademark exploitation of Fox women -- immediately evident in the no-pants dress code thus far for female anchors, whose legs are on prominent display and nearly always crossed toward the male guest du jour, known to the Twittersphere as #OneLuckyGuy."

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You will note the topic of this groups discussion: "New Briefs Designed To Protect Men From Electromagnetic Rays"
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Rather than having the women discussing hard hitting news and social events, faux once again shows it's disdain for women.
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I was responding to your quote of my post. If you were expecting a seventeen year old stranger to instinctively know that he's supposed to ignore your insult, then you might be expecting a bit too much. I don't really feel very strongly on this issue, and don't have much to say about it either way.

I'll take a more defined opinion on this issue when somebody working for Fox objects to this practice. Otherwise, I'll continue to just bump around random threads in search of an interesting discussion. I don't even know why you picked my post to quote, considering Grim17 was the one going off on the rant, not me.
 
I was responding to your quote of my post. If you were expecting a seventeen year old stranger to instinctively know that he's supposed to ignore your insult, then you might be expecting a bit too much. I don't really feel very strongly on this issue, and don't have much to say about it either way.

I'll take a more defined opinion on this issue when somebody working for Fox objects to this practice. Otherwise, I'll continue to just bump around random threads in search of an interesting discussion. I don't even know why you picked my post to quote, considering Grim17 was the one going off on the rant, not me.
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Emergency flip-flops w/ excuses. Fine my me. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
 
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Kelly makes a good appearance on a TV screen and has a following of males to attest to that. That has nothing to do with journalism and much more to do with her continued involvement on the foxification culture.
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I'm sure she has a following among women as well because she's a fine journalist. Your comment carries a faint whiff of jealousy.:peace
 
All people on camera wear a lot of make-up, even men. Blow up a good HD video, and you'll see it. They have to, or they'll look like ghosts. That's not the issue.

The issue is that it's actually NOT hard for a less attractive man to get a position at Fox, especially in the higher tiers. Are you going to try to tell me O'Reilly, Baier, and Beck are studmuffins? They're not. And it doesn't matter. No one cares, and no one should.

Why is it that women can't get a job at Fox if they're anything less than a 9 on the Stereotypical Southern Attractiveness Scale? Why do they not only have to be highly attractive, but only ONE kind of attractive, whereas it doesn't seem to matter at all when they're hiring men?

It's a perfectly valid question: why do sub-9 men have no problem getting hired at Fox, and sub-9 women are completely excluded?

Women age. Fox didn't fire Greta for not being a young, super hot babe. She's one of the key players there.

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But I suppose if you gotta hate on Fox, you can hate 'em for all the women looking better than you do as much as you can hate them for anything else and I don't expect a little example of how you're wrong to interfere with that.
 

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