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NYT Edits Out Bundy Making Pro-Black, Pro-Mexican Comments

Buck Ewer said:
No. If he was speaking of specific individuals he should have prefaced them as such and referred to those individuals with the word "they".
Whenever Bundy used the word "they" he was referencing "The negro " and "Spanish people" from his own preface.
Nice or negative. To speak in specific terms about an entire race is racist.
People are individuals not monolithic groups. The more one generalizes about a race the more racist their speech is.
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Does it seem we are speaking with people that refuse reality???
 
Buck Ewer said:
No. If he was speaking of specific individuals he should have prefaced them as such and then referred to those specific individuals with the word "they".
Whenever Bundy used the word "they" he was referencing "The negro " and "Spanish people" from his own preface.
Nice or negative. To speak in specific terms about an entire race is racist.
People are individuals not monolithic groups. The more one generalizes about a race the more racist their speech is.
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Um, Buck. When someone says that a group of people work hard, have strong family units, and should be encouraged to join the rest of us in the USA, it's a little hard to make the claim that the person saying that is racist. In fact, it's the opposite. He is praising the Mexicans here.

Racist means you think the race you're referring to is second class. It sure doesn't look like Bundy thinks Mexicans are second class.
 
reconmark said:
Does it seem we are speaking with people that refuse reality???
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We are speaking to people who are so used to the commonality of a racist way of speaking that they do not recognize it as such when they see it.
 
tres borrachos said:
Um, Buck. When someone says that a group of people work hard, have strong family units, and should be encouraged to join the rest of us in the USA, it's a little hard to make the claim that the person saying that is racist. In fact, it's the opposite. He is praising the Mexicans here.

Racist means you think the race you're referring to is second class. It sure doesn't look like Bundy thinks Mexicans are second class.
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Be it positive or negative. Individuals should not be judged by what they are but by who they are.
Prejudging an individual based on their race is racism.
 
BretJ said:
Because the numbers show an issue/issues affecting a segment of society disproportionately. Do they not show that?

So let's say we address the fact that there are more caucasians and implement measures to reduce those numbers. Realistically, those measures would also affect African Americans on subsidies as well. But the disparity shown in Excons post would still exist; A higher percentage of African Americans would still be receiving subsidies out of proportion to the demographics.
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Which would still be a smaller number of Black people than White people. The beginning and end of this whole percentage and demographic argument is that it has been used for decades to demonize all Black people, yet the elephant in the room was routinely ignored.

When we start talking about govt subsidies with honesty instead of trying to consistently use it as a weapon against Black people and minorities, then numbers and percentages won't matter to me.
 
tres borrachos said:
The Italians make better ice cream than the Austrians.

I am such a racist.:3oops:
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Sorry, but Austrians and Italians are of the same race.
If you said "he can't make good ice cream because he is an Austrian" you would be prejudicial towards Austrians...but that is not racism.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Be it positive or negative. Individuals should not be judged by what they are but by who they are.
Prejudging an individual based on their race is racism.
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Stating facts or your beliefs isn't racism. And if you equate saying positive words about a group of people with "racism", you're diminishing the people who actually suffered as a result of racism. I doubt Doctor King would agree that saying the Italians make good ice cream is anywhere near what he & his family went through. Maybe you & I diverge on the impact of racism on groups of people.
 
Buck, can we count on you to never make a disparaging comment about a group again, or actually, a positive comment either? So when you utter words like "The (insert anything here) are smart", I can call you a racist.
 
Buck Ewer said:
We are speaking to people who are so used to the commonality of a racist way of speaking that they do not recognize it as such when they see it.
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The same type of poster would say.

All those Asians are good for is growing rice and making me fish head soup, waahh, that's not racist..lol
 
tres borrachos said:
The Asians have better test scores than the other kids.

That's racist....how?
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That specific language is absolutely racist.
The statement presupposes that no Asians have bad test scores. That is racially prejudicial.
If you said Asians, on average, have better test scores than other kids. That would be accurate to what you meant without the racism.
 
tres borrachos said:
Buck, can we count on you to never make a disparaging comment about a group again, or actually, a positive comment either? So when you utter words like "The (insert anything here) are smart", I can call you a racist.
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I avoid racial generalizations.
I avoid racism.
 
Buck Ewer said:
That specific language is absolutely racist.
The statement presupposes that no Asians have bad test scores. That is racially prejudicial.
If you said Asians, on average, have better test scores than other kids. That would be accurate to what you meant without the racism.
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No, what you said was the use of the word "The" makes any comment racist, even a positive one.

The statement, if based on fact, doesn't presuppose anything.

I see you have a very broad opinion of what's racism, which explains your views of Bundy. Me, not so much. I don't minimize the pain that racism actually caused some people (as well as sexism and other -isms) by assuming everyone who utters the word "The" when speaking of a group is racist.

The Canadians produce great hockey players. Damn, there goes another racist statement from me.
 
reconmark said:
Do you think common sense and decency are going to win any arguments here?
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Probably not. Many are so used to speaking of races in generalized terms they can not see the racism when it is right in front of them.
This is not an acceptable excuse for the tolerance of racist language.
 
Excon said:
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In context, you know damn well he was speaking of work ethic.


And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?​

It may have been a bad analogy to make the point, but in context, he was speaking of work ethic.
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Yep, picking cotton under a slave master was great work ethic. The point is, his examples show him to be racist. The context doesn't change that. We could say slaves had great work ethic when they picked that cotton, as he did. But that still paints a racist view.
 
tres borrachos said:
Okay, sounds good. I can't wait to see your future posts now that you promised to never say anything positive or negative about anyone. :yes:
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I will, and always have said things, positive AND negative about INDIVIDUAL anyones.
I avoid to the best of my ability saying positive or negative things about RACES.
That is racism.
Get it?
 
Buck Ewer said:
I will, and always have said things, positive AND negative about INDIVIDUAL anyones.
I avoid to the best of my ability saying positive or negative things about RACES.
That is racism.
Get it?
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Nope they won't get it, that requires some medium of self-reflection.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I will, and always have said things, positive AND negative about INDIVIDUAL anyones.
I avoid to the best of my ability saying positive or negative things about RACES.
That is racism.
Get it?
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Get it? No. I've never heard anyone say that saying something positive about groups of people is racism. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I prefer to go through life assuming that there aren't racists behind every corner waiting to say something horrible and evil, like "The Japanese make the best sushi.". But that's just me. <shrug>
 
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Why look, I guess he wasn't one of those happier in the cotton field.
 
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