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MSNBC is Sick

Prior to 1965 segregation was the #1 political issue in the south and that's why they were democrats. After 1965 when segregation was abolished and civil rights became law, race issues being the top political priority came to an end. Over the following 8 or 10 years, it became clear to even the most hard core segregationists that the days of segregation were over and never coming back.

With the race issue out of the way politically, the people of the south made issues like religion, abortion, family values, etc, the basis for their political support, and that's why the people of the south switched to the republican party. Anyone who claims that the south votes republican today for the same reason they voted democrat 50+ years ago is either a partisan liar, or simply a gullible fool who bought into liberal propaganda.

"Family values" and the Religious Right both came up in the 80s with Jerry Falwell. Abortion wasn't an issue until 1973.

Why then, did the South flip to Republican almost 10 years before any of those things became issues?

When Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he said that he just lost the South. Why would he say that if not for reasons of race? Are you saying that you know more about Southern politics in 1965 than Lyndon Johnson did? I find that hard to believe. He was, before becoming Vice-President, THE political force in the Senate, and he was from the South.

So assuming that he knew more about Southern politics of the time than you do (which is probably a safe assumption), why would he declare that he lost the South after signing a law that advanced the civil rights of blacks?
 
I'd suggest a more recent history course. What Thomas Jefferson meant in 1776 and what white racists in 2012 mean by the term 'states' rights' have no connection.
 
"Family values" and the Religious Right both came up in the 80s with Jerry Falwell. Abortion wasn't an issue until 1973.

Why then, did the South flip to Republican almost 10 years before any of those things became issues?

When Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he said that he just lost the South. Why would he say that if not for reasons of race? Are you saying that you know more about Southern politics in 1965 than Lyndon Johnson did? I find that hard to believe. He was, before becoming Vice-President, THE political force in the Senate, and he was from the South.

So assuming that he knew more about Southern politics of the time than you do (which is probably a safe assumption), why would he declare that he lost the South after signing a law that advanced the civil rights of blacks?

Johnson knew that his actions on the part of Civil Rights was going to cost the Democratic Party the south. He was right.
 
MSNBC is sick, the BBC is sick, CNN is sick, Fox is sick, most mainstream media is sick. Their constant picking and nosing, their casual disregard for fact-checking and privacy, their outrageous headlines that has nothing to do with the subject, their hyperbole and pure lies, that's why I watch only domestic TV

What he said. ^
 
MSNBC is sick, the BBC is sick, CNN is sick, Fox is sick, most mainstream media is sick. Their constant picking and nosing, their casual disregard for fact-checking and privacy, their outrageous headlines that has nothing to do with the subject, their hyperbole and pure lies, that's why I watch only domestic TV

soo...Korean soap operas?
 
MSNBC is sick, the BBC is sick, CNN is sick, Fox is sick, most mainstream media is sick. Their constant picking and nosing, their casual disregard for fact-checking and privacy, their outrageous headlines that has nothing to do with the subject, their hyperbole and pure lies, that's why I watch only domestic TV
the BBC is pretty awesome.
 
No, there was nothing funny about the southern stategy. Cynical and racist, but not funny.

The so called "Southern Strategy" was something that the Nixon administration used to try and win elections... Anyone who actually thinks that 40 year old ploy either still exists today, or thinks it's the reason the people of the south vote republican, is a partisan fool. The people of the south embrace conservative beliefs and that's why they are republicans.
 
The so called "Southern Strategy" was something that the Nixon administration used to try and win elections...

And it worked too! Nixon got elected twice using it.


Anyone who actually thinks that 40 year old ploy either still exists today, or thinks it's the reason the people of the south vote republican, is a partisan fool. The people of the south embrace conservative beliefs and that's why they are republicans.

OK, you basically put all the bad things that have happened in the lap of one party, and others are partisan fools?

The Republican party embraced those values because it would keep "their South" intact. I wouldn't say race is still the driving factor (though it exists in pockets, and they didn't vote for Obama, I'll tell you that). It was a political calculation on the part of the Republican party.
 
No, there was nothing funny about the southern stategy. Cynical and racist, but not funny.

There is no such thing as a "southern strategy" that is "cynical and racist" in this republican campaign.
 
Denial is more than just a river in Egypt to those on the Right. Anything that shows them to be racist is simply denied.

Good strategy.
 
The so called "Southern Strategy" was something that the Nixon administration used to try and win elections... Anyone who actually thinks that 40 year old ploy either still exists today, or thinks it's the reason the people of the south vote republican, is a partisan fool. The people of the south embrace conservative beliefs and that's why they are republicans.

Of course it's still at the core of Republican politics. The only difference is that it has moved from the South to the country generally. Fear of minorities - whatever their race - is still guaranteed to get the angry white guy vote.
 
Denial is more than just a river in Egypt to those on the Right. Anything that shows them to be racist is simply denied.

Good strategy.

The only racist strategy I've seen so far is on MSNBC for the Democrats. What do you see?
 
If they turn down the sensitivity meter they won't be offended so easily.

They are looking to be offended. You see, if you can prove the other guy is a racist (or at least trick yourself into believing so) then you can self righteously attack him and rally behind your guy. You are just fighting against the evil racist man and it not only gives you moral license to "hate" that person, but it makes you a better person for standing up against racism.
 
They are looking to be offended. You see, if you can prove the other guy is a racist (or at least trick yourself into believing so) then you can self righteously attack him and rally behind your guy. You are just fighting against the evil racist man and it not only gives you moral license to "hate" that person, but it makes you a better person for standing up against racism.

I like this guy. Kill the RACE CARD - YouTube
 
They are looking to be offended. You see, if you can prove the other guy is a racist (or at least trick yourself into believing so) then you can self righteously attack him and rally behind your guy. You are just fighting against the evil racist man and it not only gives you moral license to "hate" that person, but it makes you a better person for standing up against racism.

... or, you might actually be calling out racists by pointing at racist behavior, only because it exists and begs to be mocked
 
Then you explain what Santorum meant when he said "Mr President, American was great before 1965."

What happened in 1965 that Santorum was referring to?

Medicare was passed in 1965. I can't read minds so I couldn't specifically tell you what Santorum was speaking about. MSNBC somehow thinks Santorum is passing on some kind of code. Is that what you think?
 
Then you explain what Santorum meant when he said "Mr President, American was great before 1965."

What happened in 1965 that Santorum was referring to?
implementation of the civil rights act of 1964
hear that high pitched whistle yet?
 
implementation of the civil rights act of 1964
hear that high pitched whistle yet?

But Santorum said 1965. Medicare was passed in 1965. Perhaps they're confused over at MSNBC. The Civil Rights Bill of 1964 isn't even mentioned in the video, yet somehow Santorum is sending coded messages.

Someone is confused and I don't think it's Santorum.
 
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But Santorum said 1965. Medicare was passed in 1965. Perhaps they're confused over at MSNBC.

didn't he say before 1965 ... which, according to my old calendars, would be 1964
 
didn't he say before 1965 ... which, according to my old calendars, would be 1964

What makes you think he was speaking of the Civil Rights Bill? 1961 is also before 1965. 1956 is before 1965. When someone says "before 1965", I don't see how that defaults to 1964.

Maybe the code needs a little tweaking. What do you think?
 
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Medicare was passed in 1965. I can't read minds so I couldn't specifically tell you what Santorum was speaking about. MSNBC somehow thinks Santorum is passing on some kind of code. Is that what you think?

I was thinking more in general -- the beginning of the hippie movement. It would be a very popular thing for a culture warrior like Santorum to attack.
 
I was thinking more in general -- the beginning of the hippie movement. It would be a very popular thing for a culture warrior like Santorum to attack.

I was thinking of Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society", a slogan very popular in 1965 with the passage of Medicare and a Social Security tweak. It was also the beginning of "the projects", low-income housing for the poor. The "Great Society" legislation was supposed to end poverty forevery in this nation. That's what we were told.
 
Are you under the false delusion that time has stood still since that period five decades ago?

The fact is a simple one: a majority of both parties members in the Congress supported the Civil Rights Bills.

I never denied that. However, a larger percentage of repubs voted for it than dems. There was also only one person who filibustered the bill, a democrat named Robert Byrd, a former Grand Kleagle of the KKK who died while still serving in the US Senate just a few years ago.
 
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