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I've decided to start a thread where we will absolutely not talk about all the pesky little Black Leninist preachers, Socialists and bomb making guilty white radicals in Barack Obama's past.

Instead, this thread will be solely dedicated to the positive, moderate, centrist minded, influences that Barack Obama had from the time he was a little boy up to and during his formative years as a politician.

Remember, we're not going to be talking about any radicals, this will be solely about middle of the road types who influenced Barack and would have an appeal to a broad spectrum of the American voting public.


Have at it.
 
Good cast. You caught one already. :rofl
 
Read Obama's books.
I can name numerous moderate influences on his life, but you wouldn't recognize any of the names, because they aren't famous or well-known people.
His grandparents, who mostly raised him, are moderates.
His mother (besides her penchant for marrying minorities, which was considered pretty radical and subversive back in the 60s and 70s) had moderate, middle-American values and beliefs.
His family in Kenya is composed largely of moderates.
His friends in New York, where he lived as a young man fresh out of college, were moderate.
Many of the people he dealt with on a daily basis in Chicago during his time as a community organizer were moderate Christians.
True, he's had some immoderate influences as well; he's had some radical influences.
I consider that a good thing.
Mostly, I think too much is made of these acquaintanceships, though.
These are not the people- the Reverend Wright, Ayers- that Obama has spent time with on a daily basis throughout his life.
He knows some people with radical beliefs.
Why is that not a positive thing?

He works well with blacks and whites, rich people and poor people, radicals and moderates.
He brings people together.
He is the ultimate uniter.
 
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1069 said:
Read Obama's books.

He is the ultimate uniter.
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That's why nearly half the country is voting for someone else. Because he's the ultimate uniter.

And I'm sure I've read his mother waas an atheist. That's hardly the hallmark of a moderate, middle-American.
 
I really thought that the thread opener was total sarcasm.


:mrgreen:


I'll be curious to read the posts. :cool:
 
Wow, still no credible takers huh?
 
GottaHurt said:
Wow, still no credible takers huh?
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I've answered your query, and my answer is credible.
If you wish to argue that it isn't, you'll need some evidence to counter it.
If you choose to dismiss it without addressing it, then I wouldn't expect any other Obama supporters to bother with you or your thread, since your aim is obviously not intelligent discussion and debate.
 
1069 said:
I've answered your query, and my answer is credible.
If you wish to argue that it isn't, you'll need some evidence to counter it.
If you choose to dismiss it without addressing it, then I wouldn't expect any other Obama supporters to bother with you or your thread, since your aim is obviously not intelligent discussion and debate.
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Seeing how you've misidentified something as simple as who started this thread, your obvious lack of intelligence and credibility have eliminated you from any debate with me.
 
GottaHurt said:
Seeing how you've misidentified something as simple as who started this thread, your obvious lack of intelligence and credibility have eliminated you from any debate with me.
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1069 gave examples. Maybe you missed his post somehow... or maybe you just avoided it.
 
EgoffTib said:
1069 gave examples. Maybe you missed his post somehow... or maybe you just avoided it.
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And maybe you just showed up in another thread to fan some flames without offering anything substantive yourself (again). ;)
 
Can we cite specific examples of real individuals?

The general "he knew people who's names you wouldn't recognize", doesn't really cut it..

For example: a moderate pastor of a church with 8,000+ members; I'd like to learn more about a particular individual like that. The same would hold true for politicians, philosophers, educators of some renown who are middle of the road types who had an influence in shaping the worldview of Barack Obama.
 
StandUpChuck said:
And maybe you just showed up in another thread to fan some flames without offering anything substantive yourself (again). ;)
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So that would make you a hypocrite for wasting space in this thread to reference a post of mine, in another thread, that was supposedly useless? Ironic :2wave:
 
Can we cite specific examples of real individuals?

The general "he knew people who's names you wouldn't recognize", doesn't really cut it..
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Stanley Dunham, Stanley Ann Dunham, and Madelyn Dunham; Lolo Soetoro,
Auma and Kezia Obama, Sarah Onyango Obama.
Offhand, these are the names of his mother, aunts, grandparents, and a stepfather, all of whom influenced him enormously; the American/ Filipino relatives influenced him from earliest childhood, while he met the Kenyan relatives in his early twenties, and they also had an enormous influence in his life.
Do you want to know the names of his college friends, his New York friends, his Chicago friends?
 
1069 said:
Stanley Dunham, Stanley Ann Dunham, and Madelyn Dunham; Lolo Soetoro,
Auma and Kezia Obama, Sarah Onyango Obama.
Offhand, these are the names of his mother, aunts, grandparents, and a stepfather, all of whom influenced him enormously; the American/ Filipino relatives influenced him from earliest childhood, while he met the Kenyan relatives in his early twenties, and they also had an enormous influence in his life.
Do you want to know the names of his college friends, his New York friends, his Chicago friends?
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I was speaking more about individuals of some prominence.

Say if we were to take those.. you know,.. "other" guys and put them on one side of a see/saw, would we be able to put some moderates on the other side to balance things out?

Lolo Sotero and Stanley Durham have histories that would call in to question them being considered "moderates".
 
Nearly 24 hours have passed & still nobody has offered up 1 single centrist of any slight prominence that had an influence on the political/social philosophies of Barack Obama.


Jeez.

Somebody might be tempted to believe all that "hateful right-wing rhetoric" about Obama's influences may just have some truth to it.

The offer is out there to prove the contrary.
 
The silenced majority said:
I was speaking more about individuals of some prominence.

Say if we were to take those.. you know,.. "other" guys and put them on one side of a see/saw, would we be able to put some moderates on the other side to balance things out?
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What you're asking doesn't make any sense. Those so-called "other" guys you are referring to are only prominent BECAUSE of Obama's campaign. Why the hell else would you even know who Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers ARE?

It's absurd to expect moderate influences to be as prominent as they are, unless they were already famous for something OTHER than Obama. What is the media going to report? "Obama has close ties with a moderate!" :roll:
 
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Kandahar said:
What you're asking doesn't make any sense. Those so-called "other" guys you are referring to are only prominent BECAUSE of Obama's campaign. Why the hell else would you even know who Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers ARE?

It's absurd to expect moderate influences to be as prominent as they are, unless they were already famous for something OTHER than Obama. What is the media going to report? "Obama has close ties with a moderate!" :roll:
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The "other" guys are renown for more than just being associated with Barack Obama.

I'll take your response as an admission of not being able to produce what was asked.

:2wave:
 
The silenced majority said:
The "other" guys are renown for more than just being associated with Barack Obama.
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No they aren't. If you claim that you had heard of Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers two years ago, you are flat-out lying.

The silenced majority said:
I'll take your response as an admission of not being able to produce what was asked.
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Moderate influences on Obama's life have already been pointed out to you. Why does it matter if they were "prominent" or not? Obama himself has not been "prominent" for most of his life, so why would you expect the people who influenced him to be "prominent"?
 
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