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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    It's not a problem in the U.S. because the Census Bureau is forbidden by law to ask about religion. https://ask.census.gov/faq.php?id=5000&faqId=29
    Perhaps you should read your link.
    "Public Law 94-521 prohibits us from asking a question on religious affiliation on a mandatory basis; in some person or household surveys, however, the U.S. Census Bureau may collect information about religious practices, on a voluntary basis."

    The law prohibits asking on a mandatory basis. It apparently doesn't prevent them from asking. I would have assumed that as a regulatory supporter you would be familiar with parsing sentences and misleading laws.

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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickt View Post
    Perhaps you should read your link.
    "Public Law 94-521 prohibits us from asking a question on religious affiliation on a mandatory basis; in some person or household surveys, however, the U.S. Census Bureau may collect information about religious practices, on a voluntary basis."

    The law prohibits asking on a mandatory basis. It apparently doesn't prevent them from asking. I would have assumed that as a regulatory supporter you would be familiar with parsing sentences and misleading laws.
    The Census and the American Community Survey are both mandatory surveys. ALL questions in the survey are mandatory. So since the topic was about the census, I didn't think it needed to be specified that the Census Bureau can't ask about religion in the Census or ACS (which is part of the decennial census)

    And as a matter of practice, they don't ask in any voluntary surveys that I'm aware of.
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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    The Census and the American Community Survey are both mandatory surveys. So since the topic was about the census, I didn't think it needed to be specified that the Census Bureau can't ask about religion in the Census.

    And as a matter of practice, they don't ask in other surveys that I'm aware of.
    I really don't know. But, in the U.S. if you listed your race as American, or Earthling, or Venusian you'd stand to be fined. Two very popular concepts in the U.S. are mandatory and forbidden. Mandate and banned. Must and cannot.

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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

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    Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census | National News - WMUR Home

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    How many people really do this kind of thing? Is it just an Australian thing, or could this account for thousands of other Jedi worldwide?
    Maybe people just object to being asked their religion. I know when we do the US census, I dont answer most of the questions. All the govt needs is a head count, they dont need all my personal details.

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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Maybe people just object to being asked their religion. I know when we do the US census, I dont answer most of the questions. All the govt needs is a head count, they dont need all my personal details.


    It's the same idea with voter registration, but more nuanced. How can the government confirm that some parishioner isn't inflating the number of their flock? Attach the religion to the identity of any and every person in that parish, and their families. That will give a rough estimate and I assume that the other statistics, such as household size, provide a level of depth that wouldn't otherwise be achieved by a head count.
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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Maybe people just object to being asked their religion. I know when we do the US census, I dont answer most of the questions. All the govt needs is a head count, they dont need all my personal details.
    Actually they do need it. Many government programs and policy require statistical information, and refusing to answer, beside being illegal, hurts the accuracy.

    They don't care about you personally...all that information is filed under numbers and aggregated....no one can look in the records under your name and see how many toilets you have.
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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    I would never answer Jedi on a government form. My religion is none of the government's business.

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    Re: Australia asks residents to stop registering as 'Jedi' in census

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Actually they do need it. Many government programs and policy require statistical information, and refusing to answer, beside being illegal, hurts the accuracy.

    They don't care about you personally...all that information is filed under numbers and aggregated....no one can look in the records under your name and see how many toilets you have.
    No they dont NEED it. They want it. The purpose of the census is to make sure each state gets the right number of reps. Thats it.

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