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    I watched this short video about what defectors think about the situation surrounding the North Korean Socialist regime. They didn't say, but it seems like the defectors are having the discussion in South Korea. The troubling stories include human rights abuses and might be disturbing for some. I found two points to be of interest in the video, along with the discussion from the point of view of two former citizens of North Korea, who might be considered North Korean "experts."

    These expatriates discussed the black market in North Korea. Because of the limitation on foreign goods, it is illegal to consume articles such as drama, pornography, or music. In order to watch a South Korean drama, or make a phone call on a foreign phone, one must isolate oneself in order to avoid being reported to the authorities. It seems odd for plastic bottles to be a rare Chinese commodity in that country, because they are so common in America and around the world. The easiest way for us to discuss limitations on liberty is in economic terms, regarding the availability of goods in a free market, although curbing liberties may also take the form of very personal human rights abuses.

    At least one of the Koreans spoke about the rise of capitalism in the form of businesses. Apparently, North Koreans do not know that a business is a unit of a capitalist economy. I found this interesting for two reasons, based on my understanding of government owned business as well as businesses in historical socialist countries, and because it reminds me of commentary regarding socialist policies in America. Social programs in America are commonly attributed to the downfall of America, whereas capitalist programs in North Korea would be similarly regarded as the root of evil capitalism. Indeed, one of the main topics in recent years has been the evil that is a national health care system, and many people will point to failed socialist policies as proof that capitalism is better. Even though it is clear to me that no such comparison can be fairly made, given the differences in economic scale and cultural mores, I think that the detractors of capitalism in the North Korean state are similar to the detractors of socialism in the American private sector.

    I thought it would be prudent to compare the military executions of enemies of the state, from border crossers to thieves, to the American presidential elect's cabinet, which I have read described as a 'junta.' The young woman in the video said that she thinks North Koreans are still happy, despite abuses by the state and despite being poor, and that citizens in richer countries worry too much. But, maybe we are right to be worried, for example, about the rise of demagoguery in a free society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Human Rights Abuses in North Korea

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    I watched this short video about what defectors think about the situation surrounding the North Korean Socialist regime. They didn't say, but it seems like the defectors are having the discussion in South Korea. The troubling stories include human rights abuses and might be disturbing for some. I found two points to be of interest in the video, along with the discussion from the point of view of two former citizens of North Korea, who might be considered North Korean "experts."

    These expatriates discussed the black market in North Korea. Because of the limitation on foreign goods, it is illegal to consume articles such as drama, pornography, or music. In order to watch a South Korean drama, or make a phone call on a foreign phone, one must isolate oneself in order to avoid being reported to the authorities. It seems odd for plastic bottles to be a rare Chinese commodity in that country, because they are so common in America and around the world. The easiest way for us to discuss limitations on liberty is in economic terms, regarding the availability of goods in a free market, although curbing liberties may also take the form of very personal human rights abuses.

    At least one of the Koreans spoke about the rise of capitalism in the form of businesses. Apparently, North Koreans do not know that a business is a unit of a capitalist economy. I found this interesting for two reasons, based on my understanding of government owned business as well as businesses in historical socialist countries, and because it reminds me of commentary regarding socialist policies in America. Social programs in America are commonly attributed to the downfall of America, whereas capitalist programs in North Korea would be similarly regarded as the root of evil capitalism. Indeed, one of the main topics in recent years has been the evil that is a national health care system, and many people will point to failed socialist policies as proof that capitalism is better. Even though it is clear to me that no such comparison can be fairly made, given the differences in economic scale and cultural mores, I think that the detractors of capitalism in the North Korean state are similar to the detractors of socialism in the American private sector.

    I thought it would be prudent to compare the military executions of enemies of the state, from border crossers to thieves, to the American presidential elect's cabinet, which I have read described as a 'junta.' The young woman in the video said that she thinks North Koreans are still happy, despite abuses by the state and despite being poor, and that citizens in richer countries worry too much. But, maybe we are right to be worried, for example, about the rise of demagoguery in a free society.
    comparing trumps cabinet to north korea? its almost as if the hillary crowd is out of things to talk about

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    Re: Human Rights Abuses in North Korea

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post


    I watched this short video about what defectors think about the situation surrounding the North Korean Socialist regime. They didn't say, but it seems like the defectors are having the discussion in South Korea. The troubling stories include human rights abuses and might be disturbing for some. I found two points to be of interest in the video, along with the discussion from the point of view of two former citizens of North Korea, who might be considered North Korean "experts."

    These expatriates discussed the black market in North Korea. Because of the limitation on foreign goods, it is illegal to consume articles such as drama, pornography, or music. In order to watch a South Korean drama, or make a phone call on a foreign phone, one must isolate oneself in order to avoid being reported to the authorities. It seems odd for plastic bottles to be a rare Chinese commodity in that country, because they are so common in America and around the world.

    At least one of the Koreans spoke about the rise of capitalism in the form of businesses. Apparently, North Koreans do not know that a business is a unit of a capitalist economy. I found this interesting for two reasons, based on my understanding of government owned business as well as businesses in historical socialist countries, and because it reminds me of commentary regarding socialist policies in America. Social programs in America are commonly attributed to the downfall of America, whereas capitalist programs in North Korea would be similarly regarded as the root of evil capitalism. Indeed, one of the main topics in recent years has been the evil that is a national health care system, and many people will point to failed socialist policies as proof that capitalism is better. Even though it is clear to me that no such comparison can be fairly made, given the differences in economic scale and cultural mores, I think that the detractors of capitalism in the North Korean state are similar to the detractors of socialism in the American private sector.

    I thought it would be prudent to compare the military executions of enemies of the state, from border crossers to thieves, to the American presidential elect's cabinet, which I have read described as a 'junta.' The young woman in the video said that she thinks North Koreans are still happy, despite abuses by the state and despite being poor, and that citizens in richer countries worry too much. But, maybe we are right to be worried, for example, about the rise of demagoguery in a free society.
    Yep. He is a really bad dictator. So is Assad. Duterte? There are mean men all over. Sudan? Persia? We cannot do everything and not having stopped the Syrian disaster, though we could have? Why worry just after we didn’t stop mass murder and real torture en masse?

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    I think we all knew that North Korea was an Orwellian Dystopia already. It serves us as something to compare one's political opponents to when we run out of Nazi and Soviet Union references.
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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    Re: Human Rights Abuses in North Korea

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep. He is a really bad dictator. So is Assad. Duterte? There are mean men all over. Sudan? Persia? We cannot do everything and not having stopped the Syrian disaster, though we could have? Why worry just after we didn’t stop mass murder and real torture en masse?
    You can't seriously suggest you could have prevented Syria, there's no way of knowing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You can't seriously suggest you could have prevented Syria, there's no way of knowing that.
    True. There is no way to know. But what we do know is that we did not even seriously try to stop it.

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    Re: Human Rights Abuses in North Korea

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post

    I thought it would be prudent to compare the military executions of enemies of the state, from border crossers to thieves, to the American presidential elect's cabinet, which I have read described as a 'junta.' The young woman in the video said that she thinks North Koreans are still happy, despite abuses by the state and despite being poor, and that citizens in richer countries worry too much. But, maybe we are right to be worried, for example, about the rise of demagoguery in a free society.
    Umm WHAT?

    Who called it a "junta" and for God's sake WHY?

    JUNTA

    1. a military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    comparing trumps cabinet to north korea? its almost as if the hillary crowd is out of things to talk about
    What Hillary crowd? I read it on the closed captions on Fox News while I was at the gym. By the way, fire that guy, because he can't spell properly. It said they didn't want to hire so many generals that they would be compared to a 'Hunta.'

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep. He is a really bad dictator. So is Assad. Duterte? There are mean men all over. Sudan? Persia? We cannot do everything and not having stopped the Syrian disaster, though we could have? Why worry just after we didn’t stop mass murder and real torture en masse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think we all knew that North Korea was an Orwellian Dystopia already. It serves us as something to compare one's political opponents to when we run out of Nazi and Soviet Union references.
    Regarding this comment and the one above by joG, I used the words 'human rights abuses' in the title because that is the attention grabbing version of the story. If you watch the video, the two young Koreans discussed how people are now leaving the country for political reasons, not because they are starving.

    A dystopia does not always begin with public executions and its abuses and neglects do not always include the government rationing program failing. We need not necessarily fear a dictator who curbs our liberties, and our liberties which are curbed need not be vital in order for us to have been wronged.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You can't seriously suggest you could have prevented Syria, there's no way of knowing that.
    Agreed, and I'm not sure what to call it at this point. Perhaps 'Arab Fall' would be a good name.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Human Rights Abuses in North Korea

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep. He is a really bad dictator. So is Assad. Duterte? There are mean men all over. Sudan? Persia? We cannot do everything and not having stopped the Syrian disaster, though we could have? Why worry just after we didn’t stop mass murder and real torture en masse?
    When did the standard become: If three evil things are occurring and you only choose to stop one (or only can) then it would have been better had you don't nothing at all. ?

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