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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing had been laughing at Trump too.
    Heads up the whole world is. 300 million to pick from and this was the best your system could deliver ..... really ?

    Your electoral system is a joke that serves a tiny wealthy elite

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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Heads up the whole world is. 300 million to pick from and this was the best your system could deliver ..... really ?

    Your electoral system is a joke that serves a tiny wealthy elite

    Democracy is like sex, that it's good even when it might be bad. You'd know more so continue posting plse thx.

    China has had 5000 years of totalitarian or authoritarian rule. There isn't a democratic bone in the body politic of China. A few minor tissues and no more than that.

    The CCP Dynasty of Dictator-Tyrants in business suits are the contemporary manifestation of the whole five millennia. China has nothing to offer but their chains. Censoring and punishing chains. It is estimated that since year 2000 CCP has swiped $5 Trillion in corruption, fraud, swindles, legalised ponzi schemes and the like.

    Welcome to your Future Shock world and the menace known as the CCP and its PRC of sheeple. USA will survive the presidency of Donald Trump just as the Chinese people will survive the failure of the Chinese Communist Party and its new dynasty of nasty and massively corrupt emperors in business suits.

    Chinese elites aggressively refuse to change themselves or their historical ideology of absolute and arbitrary rule, i.e., dictatorship. They have only contempt and a powerful detestation of this recent thingy in the world called democracy. So someone that naturally stands in their way is going to have to change 'em instead. Terminate that autocratic and wrong headed arrogance and its concomitant willful ignorance. Won't be easy, won't be quick, won't be pleasant. But changed they will be and for the good, once and for all (basically).

    China itself and its people will continue of course. They are survivalists by their nature, same as the rest of us are. Once they are dragged kicking and screaming into the modern and future world of reality, and leave behind their Old Word of the Delusional Central Kingdom, they'll have rough going but they'll be fine. Same as everyone else.

    You know of course the Chinese insist their genes did not originate in Africa. Only they among all humanity have uniquely Chinese genes that occurred spontaneously in China. That's what they believe. As if they had arrived in pods propelled by the stars in the heavens. Ask any one of the billion crackpot racists there, cause sooner or later they'll tell you about it. Then again, however, why say something to you that you'd already know...
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing will test Potus Trump early on, same as they did concerning GW Bush and Barack Obama.

    CCP will play the Chinese well known and predictable without firing a shot grand strategy China has used through the ages. The Chinese very well known and anticipated mindset.

    There definitely will be a challenge. A challenge over Taiwan is too great a risk to CCP, so while some challenge of Trump's actions and words concerning Taiwan is possible, it is not likely. More likely is a challenge at sea, and in the South China Sea...


    Beijing’s broader South China Sea strategy includes advancing disputed claims where it can, delaying resolution of issues it cannot yet settle in its favor, and coercing potential opponents while limiting escalation. Beijing’s longstanding opposition to key principles of international air-and-sea-related law and its growing assertiveness in the South China Sea make it view ‘unapproved’ American activities there as contravening vital interests. To implement that strategy with as little American resistance as possible, and thereby further its unresolved land feature and maritime sovereignty claims without escalating to major power war, it is employing not one but three major sea forces.

    China’s Maritime Militia is its Third Sea Force of “blue hulls,” after its Navy of “gray hulls” and Coast Guard of “white hulls.” Increasingly, these forces operate together, with blue hulls operating forward and white and gray hulls backstopping them. Collectively, these are “gray zone” operations: conducted to alter the status quo, and employing coercion as necessary, but without resorting to war.


    Passing a Chinese Maritime 'Trump Test' | The National Interest


    CCP challenged Bush 77 days into his presidency with the P-3 Orion surveillance plane issue. A PLA Air Force pilot hit the P-3 while buzzing it, crashed and died in the SCS. The damaged Orion had to crash land on the CCP's Hainan Island. CCP did a lot of hollering and flapping of their arms, then released the crew but not the plane. GW toned down his CCP rhetoric from that point forward and Potus Bush became more cooperative about admitting CCP to the World Trade Organisation.

    CCP challenged Barack Obama 44 days into his presidency. USN intelligence gathering ships Impeccable and Victorious in two separate SCS and East Sea incidents were surrounded and obstructed by CCP fishing boats backed up by CCP Coast Guard boats. Potus Obama and SecDef Robert Gates clarified things by powerfully hosing the fishermen right out of their small boats and into the sea, then ramming through boats and debris meant to obstruct or slow their forward movement. End of.

    CCP got the message and it has laid back since in the East Sea against Japan, and until only recently in the SCS where it's been proceeding cautiously and in mini-steps as everyone knows. CCP continues to respect Potus Obama's no-go zone of the Scarborough Shoal off Manila, which has been the CCP key objective throughout.

    CCP's blue hull highly paid civilian militia are considered their "little blue men" of the water, same as Putin's "little green men" of Crimea and of East Ukraine are the clandestine operatives on the land of Eurasia. CCP Dictator-Tyrants have much more to lose in the contest against the USA in the SCS, so Washington will have to demonstrate more will in any incident(s) than CCP has of its willfulness.

    CCP as with USSR probes constantly over anything great or small, and Washington knows it. Trump's savvy and learned China-Taiwan advisers know it. Expect CCP to get a good smack in the face in any feeble challenge it attempts.
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Gunboat diplomacy CCP Dictators in Beijing style...


    Scarborough Shoal a looming flashpoint in South China Sea


    When the Philippine captain, Juanito Rebios, arrived in late November, Rebios, 41, recalled that an inflatable carrying seven Chinese clad in black uniforms approached his boat. One of them, holding a gun, instructed him in English to leave the area, saying it was a final warning.

    “It was really terrible," Rebios said.

    Scarborough Shoal lies within the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) of the Philippines.

    In July, the Permanent Court of Arbitration, based in The Hague, denied China’s claim over the South China Sea. As for Scarborough Shoal, the court said that China is infringing on the Philippines’ traditional fishing rights there.

    China has refused to accept the court ruling.

    In September, 10 Chinese ships were spotted around Scarborough Shoal. Some of them appeared to be dredging boats, raising concern that China may start to reclaim the area.

    “If (other countries) do nothing, China will construct a military base in Scarborough Shoal. But if the United States takes a strong stance against China, it will be us who are involved in the dispute between the United States and China,” said Rebios.

    Scarborough Shoal a looming flashpoint in South China Sea?The Asahi Shimbun


    Potus Obama made clear to Xi Jinping the Scarborough Shoal off Manila of the no-go zone of the SCS. It is the only place in the SCS CCP Dictators in Beijing have not gone. Yet it would complete a CCP Dictators takeover of the Sea. So the Shoal is indeed the flashpoint of the controversy.

    One should expect a Potus Trump to carry the policy forward, or to up the ante if anything.
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Nobody's expecting any fireworks in the South China Sea but we can expect the two navies' aircraft carrier groups to be operating simultaneously in the Sea. It's never happened before because they've always operated separately, at different times and areas of the SCS.

    And it's no coincidence the Vinson Carrier Strike Force 1 will be arriving by January 20th off the coast of the CCP China in the SCS and near Taiwan, Philippines, and the CCP island province of Hainan which is the base of the PLA Navy South Fleet.


    US, Chinese carriers may prowl same waters in January

    A confrontation between US and Chinese aircraft carriers may be brewing in the South China Sea


    By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News

    2017/01/05

    Taipei (Taiwan News) -- The Nimitz-class supercarrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) Carrier Strike Force 1 is steaming toward the South China Sea where China's aircraft carrier the CV-16 Liaoning is currently performing exercises. (N = Nuclear Powered: CVN vs CV)


    USS Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Force 1 USN photo

    The Carrier Strike Force includes the Carrier Air Wing 2, the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Lake Champlain (CG-57), the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Wayne E Meyer (DDG-108) and will be joined at Pacific Command Center, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii by the escort destroyer USS Michael Murphy (DDG-112). Submarines always accompany a Carrier Strike Force but no information or mention of it is ever given (1-3 attack and fast attack subs).


    A carrier-borne Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark fighter takes off with full afterburner FROM CHINA'S first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, in an undated photo released Nov. 25. [Xinhua photo]


    Meanwhile, China's sole extant aircraft carrier, the CV-16 Liaoning, a recently refurbished Soviet-built vessel, sailed through international waters east of Taiwan on Dec. 26 to conduct exercises in the South China Sea. The Liaoning is expected pass through the Taiwan Strait on its way back to its home port in Qingdao, thus completing its first circumnavigation of Taiwan some time before the Chinese New Year, which falls on Jan. 28 this year.

    Neither side is officially stating precisely when their respective carriers will be present in the South China Sea, but the two rival carrier groups could be simultaneously patrolling the region at the time of President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration on Jan. 20.

    US, Chinese carriers may prowl same waters in January | Taiwan News
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Huh. How about that. I cudda sworn that China was the country building islands and installing missile systems on 'em in the South China Sea, ramming the fishing boats of other nations in international waters, and generally and steadfastly ignoring International Law. Who knew we're the bad guys there?
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Huh. How about that. I cudda sworn that China was the country building islands and installing missile systems on 'em in the South China Sea, ramming the fishing boats of other nations in international waters, and generally and steadfastly ignoring International Law. Who knew we're the bad guys there?
    the chinese are completely amoral and I dont think they see it as good or bad

    Its simply who has the power and how is that power to be applied

    If we are the chinese will push us around

    And they consider it a weakness when we do not apply our power against them

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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Huh. How about that. I cudda sworn that China was the country building islands and installing missile systems on 'em in the South China Sea, ramming the fishing boats of other nations in international waters, and generally and steadfastly ignoring International Law. Who knew we're the bad guys there?

    For the record and as my posts make clear, we are the good guyz and CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are the bad guyz.

    Kindly do try to keep up plse thx.
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    Re: China says Trump wants 'regional hegemony' in South China Sea

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    For the record and as my posts make clear, we are the good guyz and CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing are the bad guyz.

    Kindly do try to keep up plse thx.
    I was responding to the OP, and not your post. Not sure why you would assume I was responding to you.
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