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Trouble in Asia

Why would anyone be offended by being asked if the person is Chinese? I just wanted to understand if your apparent pro-China stance is based on nationality bias, that's all. Also, a previous question I asked you about China was replied in such detailed, insider-type fashion, that it was reasonable to believe that you might be Chinese (if not, maybe you study China professionally or academically and/or have lived there). I had no intention of being offensive, since I have nothing against the Chinese people (I do have some objections to the way their government behaves). I hope you are saying it's offensive in jest, because if not, then *you* are the one who is being offensive to the Chinese (by considering them so lowly that you'd take offense if someone asked you if you are one of them).

The question might appear to be over-invasive and of course you're entitled to your privacy if you don't want to share your nationality with us. However, the question is pertinent, for my information, because when I read one of your posts defending China, I'd like to know if what I'm reading is a neutral, dispassionate account of the truth, or if it is a biased account that embellishes the truth, because if it's the former I'll give more credence to it, while if it's the latter I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Certainly there is such a thing as a national of a country being neutral and dispassionate about matters involving his/her country, but the odds of impartiality do go down.

May I help shed some light in this matter? I believe Demon of Light is very insightful on this subject. I don't know where his information comes from, however, I will say that I am an American living and working in China, and a great deal of what he says rings true. I have found that I subscribe to many of the same beliefs that he has shared on this and other matters, but, I am not Chinese. Don't get me wrong, though, for I can list a lot about China and their way of doing things that is absolutely frustrating and makes no sense at all. Also, I do understand your purpose in asking as you outlined above.

In short, my dealings here show a population that is driven by raising their standard of living and progressing economically. Any voiced opinions about conflict I never hear, and yes, people can talk more openly in China than you would imagine, so long as you don't criticize the government and their right to rule.
 
Snubs, harsh words at Asia security meet as U.S. and Japan rile China.....

"When Mr Abe spoke just now, there was veiled criticism targeted at China," Wang told Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera, according to the semi-official China News Service. "These accusations are wrong and go against the standards of international relations."

The exchange between the world's three biggest economies at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, a security forum for government officials, military officers and defense experts, were among the most caustic in years at diplomatic gatherings, and could be a setback to efforts to bring ties back on track.

It was the first such major conference since tensions have surged in the South China Sea, one of Asia's most intractable disputes and a possible flashpoint for conflict.

Tellingly, despite around 100 bilateral and trilateral meetings taking place over the week, officials from China and Japan did not sit down together.

China's Wang had rejected an offer of talks with Japan and said: "This will hinge on whether the Japanese side is willing to amend the erroneous policy towards China and improve relations between China and Japan. Japan should correct its mistakes as soon as possible to improve China-Japan ties."

Wang later accused the United States of hegemonism, threats and intimidation.....snip~

Snubs, harsh words at Asia security meet as U.S. and Japan rile China



So, what do you think about these event taking place with China.....the Japanese and Chinese will not sit down with each other. We have Hagel giving a speech and then after China responded back.....before Hagel responded back. They cleared the room of reporters.


Does this seem like the usual routine with these countries? But now all in opposing China are using the argument of stability.....which they can get the backing from the UN over any escalation by China. Not to mention the US preaching the interconnected global economy argument. What say ye?
 
Snubs, harsh words at Asia security meet as U.S. and Japan rile China.....

What one is witnessing are the kind of stresses, tensions, and incidents that can occur when there is a profound shift in the balance of power underway. China's rising power has implications.

The U.S. needs a coherent foreign policy approach to Asia. The idea of an Asia Pivot in which greater focus is placed on Asia is the right priority. Asia's evolution is one of the most important megatrends for coming decades. Terrorism, even as it is a real issue, is a micro force in comparison.

The problem is that prioritization is not a substitute for substance. The U.S. needs to furnish concrete substance that demonstrates that its foreign policy with respect to Asia is credible, its strategic allies will always have priority when it comes to defense commitments, and that the U.S. will work to deepen engagement with China in areas of shared interests and make a concerted approach to manage areas where differences exist. That bilateral relationship will rest increasingly upon conduct, not words. Beyond those principles, one would need actual substance in terms of economic relationships (that the U.S. could not finalize a trade deal with one of its closest allies is deeply troubling), economic and technical incentives, etc. The President had a real opportunity to lay some substance for the Asia Pivot at West Point. Unfortunately, he didn't. That was one of the reasons I found his address so disappointing.

As a result of what is an ambiguous U.S. approach, there is an emergent policy and power vacuum when it comes to East Asia. The tension, etc., are early symptoms of that situation. This condition is not irreversible. Moreover, there remain real opportunities for China and the U.S. to have a constructive partnership. But foresight, attention to national interests, maintenance of the kind of stable balance of power in which Asia was able to achieve extraordinary economic gains in recent decades, and prudence not to humiliate all matter greatly.

On the latter point, there was absolutely no reason China's espionage should have been treated any differently from how espionage from let's say the USSR during the Cold War was handled or that from Russia today. Conventional practices of stopping the activities, using diplomatic backchannels to raise the issue, counterespionage, etc., would have been the proper way to handle the matter. Instead, the U.S. put on a spectacle in handling a real but far from novel problem. China has now retaliated and the retaliation has proved costly to American businesses operating there in the short-term. Should China maintain its new policy toward select U.S. firms, the long-term costs will be magnitudes of order higher. Those economic costs to U.S. companies, their workers, and shareholders were avoidable had the conventional approach been pursued.

Why was the short-sighted spectacle pursued? Probably, because U.S. foreign policy today is excessively ad hoc and reactive in nature. In the absence of a clear understanding of the nation's interests, guiding strategic goals, and thoughtful consideration of trade-offs, impulsive measures can become the norm. Such measures are typically inefficient and costly.
 
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What one is witnessing are the kind of stresses, tensions, and incidents that can occur when there is a profound shift in the balance of power underway. China's rising power has implications.

The U.S. needs a coherent foreign policy approach to Asia. The idea of an Asia Pivot in which greater focus is placed on Asia is the right priority. Asia's evolution is one of the most important megatrends for coming decades. Terrorism, even as it is a real issue, is a micro force in comparison.

The problem is that prioritization is not a substitute for substance. The U.S. needs to furnish concrete substance that demonstrates that its foreign policy with respect to Asia is credible, its strategic allies will always have priority when it comes to defense commitments, and that the U.S. will work to deepen engagement with China in areas of shared interests and make a concerted approach to manage areas where differences exist. That bilateral relationship will rest increasingly upon conduct, not words. Beyond those principles, one would need actual substance in terms of economic relationships (that the U.S. could not finalize a trade deal with one of its closest allies is deeply troubling), economic and technical incentives, etc. The President had a real opportunity to lay some substance for the Asia Pivot at West Point. Unfortunately, he didn't. That was one of the reasons I found his address so disappointing.

As a result of what is an ambiguous U.S. approach, there is an emergent policy and power vacuum when it comes to East Asia. The tension, etc., are early symptoms of that situation. This condition is not irreversible. Moreover, there remain real opportunities for China and the U.S. to have a constructive partnership. But foresight, attention to national interests, maintenance of the kind of stable balance of power in which Asia was able to achieve extraordinary economic gains in recent decades, and prudence not to humiliate all matter greatly.

On the latter point, there was absolutely no reason China's espionage should have been treated any differently from how espionage from let's say the USSR during the Cold War or that from Russia today. Conventional practices of stopping the activities, using diplomatic backchannels to raise the issue, counterespionage, etc., would have been the proper way to handle the matter. Instead, the U.S. put on a spectacle in handling a real but far from novel problem. China has now retaliated and the retaliation has proved costly to American businesses operating there in the short-term. Should China maintain its new policy toward select U.S. firms, the long-term costs will be magnitudes of order higher. Those economic costs to U.S. companies, their workers, and shareholders were avoidable had the conventional approach been pursued.

Why was the short-sighted spectacle pursued? Probably, because U.S. foreign policy today is excessively ad hoc and reactive in nature. In the absence of a clear understanding of the nation's interests, guiding strategic goals, and thoughtful consideration of trade-offs, impulsive measures can become the norm. Such measures are typically inefficient and costly.


Mornin' DS. :2wave: Seems more and more I talk to.....think BO is just winging it. Now with preparing for his departure.....he is more concerned about his own legacy and not making any mistakes. He was taught a lesson where the Big Boys play.....its not like at home in his house. Where he has control. Here he can't just open his mouth and make anything go all away once he screws up. Nor can he ignore what he says out of his mouth in front of the international community.

All of this leaves us open to more possibilities of something negative coming our way, and it won't be good. Our enemies are emboldened.

Plus, they know BO doesn't have the heart to deal with any of it.....even with him saying he is an Interventionist and Internationalist.
 
Mornin' DS. :2wave: Seems more and more I talk to.....think BO is just winging it. Now with preparing for his departure.....he is more concerned about his own legacy and not making any mistakes. He was taught a lesson where the Big Boys play.....its not like at home in his house. Where he has control. Here he can't just open his mouth and make anything go all away once he screws up. Nor can he ignore what he says out of his mouth in front of the international community.

All of this leaves us open to more possibilities of something negative coming our way, and it won't be good. Our enemies are emboldened.

Plus, they know BO doesn't have the heart to deal with any of it.....even with him saying he is an Interventionist and Internationalist.

:agree: Good post! :thumbs:

Happy Sunday morning, MMC. :2wave:
 
May I help shed some light in this matter? I believe Demon of Light is very insightful on this subject. I don't know where his information comes from, however, I will say that I am an American living and working in China, and a great deal of what he says rings true. I have found that I subscribe to many of the same beliefs that he has shared on this and other matters, but, I am not Chinese. Don't get me wrong, though, for I can list a lot about China and their way of doing things that is absolutely frustrating and makes no sense at all. Also, I do understand your purpose in asking as you outlined above.

In short, my dealings here show a population that is driven by raising their standard of living and progressing economically. Any voiced opinions about conflict I never hear, and yes, people can talk more openly in China than you would imagine, so long as you don't criticize the government and their right to rule.

It's good to find another U.S. expat currently living and working in the CCP-PRC (as I prefer to call it, not just "China"). I've been five years in the Middle Kingdom so I must say that, regardless of your period of time here, which is your business to say or not to say, my experience with the PRChinese is the opposite of yours. You say the poster Demon of Light "is very insightful" in the matters presented by this thread, so I'd have to conclude you must be meeting and interacting with all the 'right' people in the CCP-PRC. I personally know too many democracy type dissidents who are PRChina Chinese to accept even some of what you post.

The technical nature of your post and its focus on the economic development and standard of living in the CCP-PRC seem to indicate you are likely involved in business for-profit corporate affairs rather than in a more public service oriented, proprietary education business as I am and have been. That of course would be your matter entirely, whether or not it might be so. I do have the strictly issued Foreign Expert Certificate qualification determined by the CCP's State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs which is a part of the State Public Security Bureau (which in turn is a direct descendant of the Gestapo).

Although there's no profit to be made by knowing the Boyz in Beijing spend more on internal "security" than they do on all of the armed forces, it is both a useful and revealing fact to know, ne c'est pas?

It's also good you chose to focus a post to praise and commend the poster DOL because an unanswered question seems to dangle over the thread, which is whether Demon of Light might be Chinese. That of course is his personal business so I of course respect his right to resist or to dismiss the question out of hand. Still, I also understand his being asked by other posters whether he, DOL is or isn't Chinese. After all, DOL in his expressed views is "correct" in respect of every and all policy positions taken by the CCP Boyz in Beijing.

My observation and analysis based entirely on DOL's postings to this thread are that his written English is a native English. Technically, stylistically, culturally, DOL writes as one whose native language, cultural background, social upbringing are rooted in a native English language country. If all the foregoing were not the case, then DOL be an amazing case study, or so I'd say. His writing does clearly display a cultural background that is consistent with that of one whose native language is English.

I'd like to also add that I too was perhaps as equally surprised as you were to learn the DP forums are readily available uncensored to users in the CCP-PRC, that I didn't have to use my VPN system based in the USA to slice through the Great Internet Firewall of China that blocks and censors everything and anything the Boyz in Beijing don't approve of or that they actively dislike, such as Facebook, UTube, Twitter, the NYT, Bloomberg News and again most recently everything Google, in addition to many other sources of news, information, public policy analysis. You and DOL ought to go to these and other such places at least sometimes - it would do each of you a world of good, not to mention the rest of us.

Peace be with you in the CCP-PRC.
 
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There's quite a number of expats on this forum, I spent a few years in Beijing and Shanghai around 8 years ago and Ive never seen a country develop in so short a time as China has. My favorite city in China remains Hong Kong, however.
 
There's quite a number of expats on this forum, I spent a few years in Beijing and Shanghai around 8 years ago and Ive never seen a country develop in so short a time as China has. My favorite city in China remains Hong Kong, however.




Minister of Love in the CCP-PRC you say? Talk about an inactive position :allhail.

Indeed, the Boyz in Beijing have gone on at a breakneck speed but have roped themselves in by focusing on infrastructure while ignoring even a gradual developing of human services or creating a social safety net, not to mention the catastrophe that is the environment. People anyway forget the United States during the 1950s remade itself by building or rebuilding from border to border and coast to coast, to include the transformation of LA from a sleepy town at the edge of a dessert to the USA's second city (no offense intended to anyone who might be from former number 2 Chicago :poke ).

I'm in Guangzhou and have friends, associates in HKG so I go there often cause I share your view it's a great city which as you also know is radically different from life on the dullard mainland. Shenzhen too, where I have friends and associates and which for a mainland city is also good as it benefits greatly being adjacent to HKG.

I had a good conversation the other day with an adult English learner who's pretty conversational in English and who made the same point about the rapid development, which caused him to spout the party line it could never happen in a democracy, so I advised him of the USA in the 1950s. He sang the praises so much and too much about efficient one party rule that I had to point out to him that no one party state of global consequence or impact had led to anything good in the world, as we saw during the 20th century in particular.

Your posts to this thread are most realistic as I see these things, so it looks like you entered the CCP-PRC with some prior knowledge of it or you were able to penetrate the bs and cut to the chase, or of course both. I am formulating a couple of coming soon posts to this thread that get to the heart of the broad and steady front of belligerence and aggressions by the Boyz in Beijing throughout the region. The upshot is that the Boyz believe they can force a separation of the U.S. from its allies in the region without any kind of shootout or sans actual consequences, which makes them dangerously wrong, and I'll also say why. The bottom line is that Beijing's ADIZ in the East China Sea, and the coming ADIZ in the SCS tore through Washington as an irreversible game changer.
 
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Your posts to this thread are most realistic as I see these things, so it looks like you entered the CCP-PRC with some prior knowledge of it or you were able to penetrate the bs and cut to the chase, or of course both.

The guy who likens the Chinese to the Nazis is making the "most realistic" posts? No point trying to hide your contempt for China, huh? As long as people are informed by cartoonish propaganda-fueled understandings of Beijing they will not be capable of making realistic assessments of China's actions or intentions. One only has to look at how well people with the same attitudes on Russia have been at predicting that country's actions.
 
The guy who likens the Chinese to the Nazis is making the "most realistic" posts? No point trying to hide your contempt for China, huh? As long as people are informed by cartoonish propaganda-fueled understandings of Beijing they will not be capable of making realistic assessments of China's actions or intentions. One only has to look at how well people with the same attitudes on Russia have been at predicting that country's actions.


Those who post are not the topic as what posters say is the focus. Still, mentioning the poster and what he says is relevant because he has, as I do, experience living and working in he CCP-PRC so thus has had personal interaction with the PRChinese people and is accordingly well positioned to accurately assess the leaders of the CCP, their attitudes, their beliefs, as the Boyz in Beijing continue to operate in total secrecy behind the high walls of Zhongnanhai just off Tianamen Square, which is the CCP's Kremlin.

So when a poster uses the word lebensraum in his discussion of CCP attitudes, beliefs, policies, I am able to see the poster has been able to penetrate directly in to the mind and the psyche of the leaders of the CCP to thereby know their thinking, their shocking intents, their nefarious purposes, and that the poster has done so in ways that few Americans or Western people are able to or are in a position to accomplish. The Boyz in Beijing themselves use the word lebensraum but never in public because the Boyz are well aware of the shock and alarm bells use of the word would incite globally but in the West in particular.

The following that I provide to all is taken from a document that several years after it was presented was smuggled out of the CCP-PRC eventually to be published in the USA. It is taken from the presentation of the then CCP-PRC Defense Minister Gen Chi Hotian to the CCP Central Committee behind the high walls of the CCP's central government complex, Zhongnanhai:

"Ostensibly, in comparison, today’s China is similar to Germany back then. Both of them regard themselves as the most superior races; both have a history of being exploited by foreign powers and are therefore vindictive; both have the tradition of worshipping their own authorities; both feel that they have seriously insufficient living space; both raise high the two banners of nationalism and socialism and label themselves as “national socialism”; both worship 'one state, one party, one leader, and one doctrine'.

"And yet, if we really are to make a comparison between Germany and China, then, as Comrade Jiang Zemin put it, Germany belongs to “pediatrics”—too trivial to be compared. How large is Germany’s population? How big is its territory? And how long is its history? We eliminated eight million Nationalist troops in only three years. How many enemies did Germany kill? They were in power for a transient period of little more than a dozen years before they perished, while we are still energetic after being around for more than eighty years. Our theory of the shifting center of civilization is of course more profound than the Hitler’s theory of “the lords of the earth.” Our civilization is profound and broad, which has determined that we are so much wiser than they were.

"Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans were because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.

"The bottom line is, only China, not the dissolved Germany, is a reliable force in resisting the Western parliament-based democratic system. Hitler’s dictatorship in Germany was perhaps but a momentary mistake in history.

"The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then.

"But the term “living space,” or lebensraum, is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don’t want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West’s association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin’s new theory, “Human rights are just living rights,” we only talk about “living,” but not “space,” so as to avoid using the term “living space.” From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China.

"There’s no need to worry about this issue. Comrade Mao Zedong said that if we could lead our allies to victory and make them benefit, they would support us. Therefore, as long as we can lead the Chinese people outside of China, resolving the lack of living space in China, the Chinese people will support us. At that time, we don’t have to worry about the labels of “totalitarianism” or “dictatorship.” Whether we can forever represent the Chinese people depends on whether we can succeed in leading the Chinese people out of China."
 
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Those who post are not the topic as what posters say is the focus. Still, mentioning the poster and what he says is relevant because he has, as I do, experience living and working in he CCP-PRC so thus has had personal interaction with the PRChinese people and is accordingly well positioned to accurately assess the leaders of the CCP, their attitudes, their beliefs, as the Boyz in Beijing continue to operate in total secrecy behind the high walls of Zhongnanhai just off Tianamen Square, which is the CCP's Kremlin.

So when a poster uses the word lebensraum in his discussion of CCP attitudes, beliefs, policies, I am able to see the poster has been able to penetrate directly in to the mind and the psyche of the leaders of the CCP to thereby know their thinking, their shocking intents, their nefarious purposes, and that the poster has done so in ways that few Americans or Western people are able to or are in a position to accomplish. The Boyz in Beijing themselves use the word lebensraum but never in public because the Boyz are well aware of the shock and alarm bells use of the word would incite globally but in the West in particular.

The following that I provide to all is taken from a document that several years after it was presented was smuggled out of the CCP-PRC eventually to be published in the USA. It is taken from the presentation of the then CCP-PRC Defense Minister Gen Chi Hotian to the CCP Central Committee behind the high walls of the CCP's central government complex, Zhongnanhai:

Not surprisingly, I only found that tripe at the Falun Dafa Epoch Times, which says it was posted on boxun.com, some NED-funded propaganda rag. Trusting implicitly either of those sources would demonstrate poor judgment on your part.
 
The guy who likens the Chinese to the Nazis is making the "most realistic" posts? No point trying to hide your contempt for China, huh?
Its not contempt, when a country is using its military to expand its territories based on some possibly bogus historical claims the similarities are obvious.
 
Not surprisingly, I only found that tripe at the Falun Dafa Epoch Times, which says it was posted on boxun.com, some NED-funded propaganda rag. Trusting implicitly either of those sources would demonstrate poor judgment on your part.."


Those who post are not the topic as what posters say is the focus. Still, mentioning the poster and what he says is relevant because he has, as I do, experience living and working in he CCP-PRC so thus has had personal interaction with the PRChinese people and is accordingly well positioned to accurately assess the leaders of the CCP, their attitudes, their beliefs, as the Boyz in Beijing continue to operate in total secrecy behind the high walls of Zhongnanhai just off Tianamen Square, which is the CCP's Kremlin.

So when a poster uses the word lebensraum in his discussion of CCP attitudes, beliefs, policies, I am able to see the poster has been able to penetrate directly in to the mind and the psyche of the leaders of the CCP to thereby know their thinking, their shocking intents, their nefarious purposes, and that the poster has done so in ways that few Americans or Western people are able to or are in a position to accomplish. The Boyz in Beijing themselves use the word lebensraum but never in public because the Boyz are well aware of the shock and alarm bells use of the word would incite globally but in the West in particular.

The following that I provide to all is taken from a document that several years after it was presented was smuggled out of the CCP-PRC eventually to be published in the USA. It is taken from the presentation of the then CCP-PRC Defense Minister Gen Chi Hotian to the CCP Central Committee behind the high walls of the CCP's central government complex, Zhong Nan Hai:

"And yet, if we really are to make a comparison between Germany and China, then, as Comrade Jiang Zemin put it, Germany belongs to “pediatrics”—too trivial to be compared. How large is Germany’s population? How big is its territory? And how long is its history? We eliminated eight million Nationalist troops in only three years. How many enemies did Germany kill? They were in power for a transient period of little more than a dozen years before they perished, while we are still energetic after being around for more than eighty years. Our theory of the shifting center of civilization is of course more profound than the Hitler’s theory of “the lords of the earth.” Our civilization is profound and broad, which has determined that we are so much wiser than they were.

"Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans were because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.

"The bottom line is, only China, not the dissolved Germany, is a reliable force in resisting the Western parliament-based democratic system. Hitler’s dictatorship in Germany was perhaps but a momentary mistake in history.

"The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then.

"But the term “living space,” or lebensraum, is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don’t want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West’s association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin’s new theory, “Human rights are just living rights,” we only talk about “living,” but not “space,” so as to avoid using the term “living space.” From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China.

"There’s no need to worry about this issue. Comrade Mao Zedong said that if we could lead our allies to victory and make them benefit, they would support us. Therefore, as long as we can lead the Chinese people outside of China, resolving the lack of living space in China, the Chinese people will support us. At that time, we don’t have to worry about the labels of “totalitarianism” or “dictatorship.” Whether we can forever represent the Chinese people depends on whether we can succeed in leading the Chinese people out of China."



The above provided by me in a post earlier today is not a novel nor is it from a novel. It is not Tom Clancy fiction and I only wish it were fiction, but it is true, real.

The above is real, true. One knows from history how real and true such things are.

The Epoch Times is a global general interest newspaper published in almost 20 languages. The NED is real and is an agency of the United States government.

You can't counter either the content of the documented speech to the CCP Central Committee, nor can you deny it.

You can't viably or believably deny it.

None of you can.
 
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Its not contempt, when a country is using its military to expand its territories based on some possibly bogus historical claims the similarities are obvious.

It is contempt, even if you want to deny it.

The above provided by me in a post earlier today is not a novel nor is it from a novel. It is not Tom Clancy fiction and I only wish it were fiction, but it is true, real.

The above is real, true. One knows from history how real and true such things are.

The Epoch Times is a global general interest newspaper published in almost 20 languages. The NED is real and is an agency of the United States government.

You can't counter either the content of the documented speech to the CCP Central Committee, nor can you deny it.

You can't viably or believably deny it.

None of you can.

Just because the Epoch Times and NED are real does not mean they are honest or trustworthy.
 
Just because the Epoch Times and NED are real does not mean they are honest or trustworthy.


Anyone who might like to personally take even a quick look at the global general circulation daily newspaper the Epoch Times or to check out the National Endowment for Democracy of the U.S. government would be invited to click the two links below which will take you to either:


1) Epoch Times | China News, World News | NYC | Business, Science and Beyond | The New Times


Anyone who might be in the mainland CCP-PRC would definitely need a VPN or an equivalent to access the Epoch Times as it is severely "prohibited" in the PRChina by the punishing censorship of the Boyz in Beijing.



As to the NEC, here's a direct link:

2) AllGov - Departments


NED documents are public and show that the China Free Press has received a total of just over half a million dollars from the NED over the past ten years.

The China Free Press also publishes the dissident website Boxun, which aggregates news and views provided by the many individuals who are democracy advocates within China.

As such, China Free Press provides a valuable unofficial perspective on events in China to the outside world.

Th following is from the website of the US National Endowment for Democracy, in particular, from the NED’s 2010 report, listing grants made that year:

China Free Press $220,000

To provide support and a forum for human rights defenders to document and expose China’s human rights situation in a timely manner, and to serve as a resource for Chinese websites and bloggers so as to expand the space for free expression of political and social viewpoints in China. China Free Press hosts banned and censored Chinese prodemocracy websites that provide a platform for discussion and debate on current events and important social, political and economic questions facing China. China Free Press also maintains a dedicated website as a forum for reports, commentary, and appeals by citizens concerning civil rights.

Certainly, because the NED is in and of the United States, it is a magnet for criticism by those who chronically carp against the United States across the board. I'm therefore fully prepared to respond, as always, to any or all such antagonisms. I await your further absolute defense of everything the Boyz in Beijing say, do, pursue.
 
It is contempt, even if you want to deny it.
Puh-lease. I dont have a problem with China, in fact I admire it for its substantial economic growth, what bothers me is that its bullying smaller nations in the South China Sea.
 
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