Thread: Another Trouble Maker, China

The heading of the thread is grossly misleading. A trouble maker who is the biggest financier of U.S. debts?

I'd also hesitate to call them a trouble maker. There've been many worse trouble makers in Asia in the last few years. Wait until China invades Taiwan, then label them whatever you want. If we're talking about fishing disputes, the world is full of trouble makers.

Originally Posted by xomputer

Recently, China and Philippines have been fighting over Scarborough island in South China Sea. Historically, the island has been Philippine territory, and nobody dared to deny that fact.

However, from an unknown point in time, China has been claiming that the island is Chinese territory, and recently, the Chinese government banned Philippine fishermen from approaching the island.
At the moment, China is making a similar situation with Korean island... The Ieodo...
Historically, Ieodo is Korean territory, but China is claming that Ieodo is Chinese territory for security and economic reasons.
China has territory disputes with a total of 14 countries.
If China wants to be a powerful nation, it has to act like one, and not bully other countries, and create bunch of unnecessary conflicts.
How can we call such a country a G2 nation?

Nobody dare to deny that fact? That's only YOUR OPINION!!!

The philipines gov't first claim the Huang Yan Island (the Scarborough Shoal) in 1997. And before that year, your national map doesn't include that island!! Just take your old maps out to see!! Don't take your OPINION as fact!!

Your words are rediculous!!

As the Ieodo is not an island (it is not always above the sea surface) it cannot be claimed by any country as sovereign territory. It cannot be claimed by either China nor South Korea. Read the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS)!! Don't be funny!!

Originally Posted by oliveryty

Nobody dare to deny that fact? That's only YOUR OPINION!!!

The philipines gov't first claim the Huang Yan Island (the Scarborough Shoal) in 1997. And before that year, your national map doesn't include that island!! Just take your old maps out to see!! Don't take your OPINION as fact!!

How cool. We have someone to provide the Chinese viewpoint. Welcome Oliver!

I think the Philippines has a stronger case because the Philippines have already provided an improvement on the territory (a light house) while China has not. A Philippine flag first flew on the island while a Chinese one has not. The Philippines has operated as a caretaker over the shoal, while China has not.

On the subject of maps, consider this:

Several official Philippine maps published by Spain and United States in 18th and 20th centuries show Scarborough Shoal as Philippine territory. The 18th-century map "Carta hydrographica y chorographica de las Islas Filipinas" (1734) shows the Scarborough Shoal then was named as Panacot Shoal. The map also shows the shape of the shoal as consistent with the current maps available as today. During the 1900s, Mapa General, Islas Filipinas, Observatorio de Manila, and US Coast and Geodetic Survey Map include the Scarborough Shoal named as "Baju De Masinloc."[19] In 1792, another map drawn by the Malaspina expedition and published in 1808 in Madrid, Spain also showed Bajo de Masinloc as part of Philippine territory. The map showed the route of the Malaspina expedition to and around the shoal. It was reproduced in the Atlas of the 1939 Philippine Census, which was published in Manila a year later and predates the controversial 1947 Chinese South China Sea Claim Map that shows no Chinese name on it.[20] Another topographic map drawn in 1820 shows the shoal, named there as "Bajo Scarburo," as a constituent part of Sambalez (Zambales province).[21]

Scarborough Shoal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China has rejected third party, i.e., American, involvement in the South China Sea dispute with the Philippines.

China: No Third Party Allowed In Settling Island Dispute

Who is willing to go to bat for the Philippines? I'm not. Any one?

Originally Posted by EagleAye

How cool. We have someone to provide the Chinese viewpoint. Welcome Oliver!...

Oliver is not the only Chinese who has joined this forum. Reedak is also Chinese.

Originally Posted by EagleAye

.....I think the Philippines has a stronger case because the Philippines have already provided an improvement on the territory (a light house) while China has not. A Philippine flag first flew on the island while a Chinese one has not. The Philippines has operated as a caretaker over the shoal, while China has not......

The practice of the Philippines reminds me of a funny way the people of a certain Asian country reserve their seats in a food court by placing tissue paper on the tables. Once a strong wind blows across the place, all the tissue paper would be blown away and everybody would have to rush back to replace their tissue paper.

Similarly, whether the house is light or heavy, it will disappear together with the flag and caretaker once a typhoon sweeps across the rocks and reefs.

For the next one or two years, if the Filipinos see only the arrival of typhoons instead of Chinese tourists, and if China continues the suspension of all trade links, the adverse economic impact could be felt all over the Philippines.

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

Oliver is not the only Chinese who has joined this forum. Reedak is also Chinese.

I am glad to know you have not forgotten your uncle. By the way, do you still visit our old forum? How do find this forum as compared with our previous one? Do you post in other forums besides this one?

Originally Posted by reedak

I am glad to know you have not forgotten your uncle. By the way, do you still visit our old forum? How do find this forum as compared with our previous one? Do you post in other forums besides this one?

Esteemed Uncle,

I repectfully submit that these are subjects for a Private Message.

Gweilo

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

Oliver is not the only Chinese who has joined this forum. Reedak is also Chinese.

Cool. Welcome Reedak! It's good to get a viewpoint from other nations.

Originally Posted by reedak

The practice of the Philippines reminds me of a funny way the people of a certain Asian country reserve their seats in a food court by placing tissue paper on the tables. Once a strong wind blows across the place, all the tissue paper would be blown away and everybody would have to rush back to replace their tissue paper.

Similarly, whether the house is light or heavy, it will disappear together with the flag and caretaker once a typhoon sweeps across the rocks and reefs.

For the next one or two years, if the Filipinos see only the arrival of typhoons instead of Chinese tourists, and if China continues the suspension of all trade links, the adverse economic impact could be felt all over the Philippines.

I used to see something similar in San Francisco, which contains the largest Chinese community outside of China. So by creating an improvement upon the land, the Philippines have not only reserved their seats, they've ordered the dinner. And here comes along China to drop their tissue on the chairs. Sorry, dude. Too late.

When is write "light house" I mean "lighthouse," a large stone structure containing a massive light to warn ships they are approaching land. Not light as opposed to heavy.