Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

Iriemon · 08-29-07, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

That would imply that we intended to kill anyone, sorry but people dying from disease does not constitute as a dem/genocide unless we deliberately infected them which we did not, there was no systematic intentional mass murder of the indiginous peoples of America, atleast not by the U.S..

Fine if you think that the way the native Americans were treated is a matter of national pride then take slavery. Or do you think that is a matter of national pride too?

niftydrifty · 08-29-07, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cherokee

I can tell you've NEVER read the Koran....

i've seen your song and dance pasting before. it's all taken out of context.

Iriemon · 08-29-07, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

That would imply that we intended to kill anyone, sorry but people dying from disease does not constitute as a dem/genocide unless we deliberately infected them which we did not, there was no systematic intentional mass murder of the indiginous peoples of America, atleast not by the U.S..

1763 December Killings by the Paxton Boys Pennsylvania settlers kill 20 peaceful Susquehannock in response to Pontiac's Rebellion.

1782 March 8 Gnadenhütten massacre Nearly 100 non-combatant Christian Delaware (Lenape) Indians, mostly women and children, are killed with hammer blows to the head by Pennsylvania militiamen.

August 1 Battle of Bad Axe Around 300 Indian men, women and children are killed in Wisconsin by white soldiers.

1818 April 22 Chehaw Affair U.S. troops attack a non-hostile village during the First Seminole War, killing an estimated 10 to 50 men, women and children

1850 Spring Bloody Island Massacre The murder of up to 200 Pomo people on an island near Upper Lake, California by Nathaniel Lyon and his U. S. Army detachment, in retribution for the killing of two Clear Lake settlers who had been abusing and murdering Pomo people. This incident led to a general mass killing of native people all over Northern California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Massacres

the makeout hobo · 08-29-07, 07:19 PM

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Yes. Dhimmi status and Dhimmi ideology exists today and these Peaceful Muslims in Europe (when they aren't rioting over free speech and cartoons), Australia, United States, etc etc, although may not be blowing themselves up everyday or forming insurgencies, they're still trying to work the system in their favor by making separation, special accommodations and other things of Muslim interest that effect the day-to-day lives or business of others living in that Country. These Muslims are also part of the problem.

What special accommodation are muslims asking for?

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That would imply that we intended to kill anyone, sorry but people dying from disease does not constitute as a dem/genocide unless we deliberately infected them which we did not, there was no systematic intentional mass murder of the indiginous peoples of America, atleast not by the U.S..

What about when biological warfare was used in the form of smallpox-infected blankets? What about when US troops used to enter a village when the braves were gone and slaughter all the women and children? It may or may not have been genocide, but it was definately a crime against humanity.

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Slavery was bad, however, I would say that in this case the ends justified the means, what ends justified Mohammed being a pedophile?

Do you believe the ends justify the means in slavery?

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Thanks for your bit of revisionist history, but first of all "stole" would imply ownership, and the Native Americans had no concept of land ownership or the value of property which is why they sold Manhattan for some beads, caveat venditor, and second of all there was no genocide if there was there would be no native Americans left.

No, there was no sucessful genocide. By your reasoning, the holocaust wasn't a genocide because there's still Jews.

Iriemon · 08-29-07, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Slavery was bad, however, I would say that in this case the ends justified the means, what ends justified Mohammed being a pedophile?

Thanks for your bit of revisionist history, but first of all "stole" would imply ownership, and the Native Americans had no concept of land ownership or the value of property which is why they sold Manhattan for some beads, caveat venditor, and second of all there was no genocide if there was there would be no native Americans left.

What admirable things did Mohammed do besides conquering, killing, converting, or subjugating as Dhimmi's any people that stood in the way of his totalitarian, theocratic, and repressive empire?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/623442-post113.html

...Yet despite Moses, Washington, Luther, and America doing the horrible things, I personally would be a little insulted and find it disrespectful for people to post over and over about mass murderer Moses, slaver Washington, jew-hater Luther and genocidal America, even if those things are true. And even if it is true that Mohemmend married a young girl, it is disrepectful to post that over and over.

Unless you are a rude and disrespectful person (aka *sshole), or you are trying to promote hate, or you are simply a bigot, what is the purpose of continuing to do it?

NguyenRhymesWithWin · 08-29-07, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

What special accommodation are muslims asking for?

United States: Co-ed Gyms Must have Walled Off Women's Areas
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...-modesty_x.htm

United Kingdom: Schools must not teach Sex Education and Swimming during Ramadan
http://education.guardian.co.uk/scho...017439,00.html

United States: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment, when denied a 5-10 minute prayer break.
Dhimmi Watch: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment

United States: Council on American Islamic Relations writes letter to TV station; Florida televangelist loses show after CAIR complains
Fla. Televangelist Loses Show After Muslims Complain - News Story - WFTV Orlando

United States: Newspapers drop "Opus" cartoon for fear of offending Muslims
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Is this the forbidden “Opus” cartoon? Update: A Doonesbury double standard?

As you can see it is not hard to find examples. Just surf around at Dhimmi Watch and you'll find tons of examples or use matching keywords in Google News and you'll find some Muslim Accommodation news that involve tax payer money, violent threats from local Muslim groups if demands aren't met, so on and so forth. Muslims in Europe have caused a ruckus during Christmas time.

Here's one of my favorites
Belgium: Muslims want to ban Easter Eggs
Dhimmi Watch: Belgium: Muslims want ban on Easter eggs

Here's another one.
Australia: Christmas is Offensive, Muslims ask for Holiday to be renamed
Dhimmi Watch: Muslims in Australia offended by Christmas, ask that it be renamed

bub · 08-30-07, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NguyenRhymesWithWin

Here's one of my favorites
Belgium: Muslims want to ban Easter Eggs
Dhimmi Watch: Belgium: Muslims want ban on Easter eggs

Never hear about that. But its not surprising, it's only a bunch of radicals who have asked that.

It's not representative of the common Muslim living in Europe who simply don't care about Easter. Thus it is irrelevant.

the makeout hobo · 08-30-07, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bub

Never hear about that. But its not surprising, it's only a bunch of radicals who have asked that.

It's not representative of the common Muslim living in Europe who simply don't care about Easter. Thus it is irrelevant.

Now if you read the article, it's not so radical. Some muslim women working for a city were told they were not allowed to wear their hijabs due to city policy trying to garuntee neutrality of services. The women simply asked that if Muslim practices are prohibited, then all religious practices be prohibited. I don't see how this is a case of radicalism, merely trying to get everyone to follow the same laws.

EAGLE1 · 08-30-07, 08:12 AM

Its probably true that the Native Americans had little concept of ownership, they didnt really need to given they had so much.

However, we certainly did, which actually just makes the deed worse. Like taking candy from a baby.

NguyenRhymesWithWin · 08-31-07, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bub

It's not representative of the common Muslim living in Europe who simply don't care about Easter. Thus it is irrelevant.

Common enough. I can't find any articles but there's brewhaha in Germany around Christmas time. The so called peaceful Muslims are getting upset about the Christian atmosphere in Germany around Christmas time.

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

The women simply asked that if Muslim practices are prohibited, then all religious practices be prohibited. I don't see how this is a case of radicalism, merely trying to get everyone to follow the same laws.

Or they can live in a Muslim country and not have to worry about stuff like this. They have no place to DEMAND the things they did in the article. Not a suggestion, not a proposal, but a DEMAND. You try demanding **** like that in a Muslim country? And why stop here with Easter Eggs? Let's make new labor laws too to accommodate the working and non-working hours of Muslims that everyone else should fallow. And for crying out loud. Religious Symbols? Easter Eggs? Give me a break. It's meaningless pagan crap. Hell, it's so meaningless and commercial that there's no reason to mention that it's pagan or non-Christian.

To the best of my knowledge, no religious oppression was made. Hijab in such a fashion as this is not a commandment and it is of culture, not religion. I'm finding both sides being supported but I tend to believe the Hajib is not religious side more since I think quoting of religious text usually does not include important frame of reference and is grossly misinterpreted.

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