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Old 09-14-08, 01:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Putin straight talks.

YouTube - Putin put it straight

I want to see Sacksavilly and Bush respond to this.

Ive never listened to a rant from Putin. Hes pretty good at it.

And here in America... theres spray paint on the teleprompter
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Putin is an ex-KGB officer who now has implicit dictatorial power. Anyone who places any faith in this schmuck needs their head examined.
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Re: Putin straight talks.

I'd like to see an offical response to this as well. That was a compelling testimony against the U.S., Georgia and the media.
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Speaking of which, Human Rights Watch and the AP also have some compelling testimony....

Tbilisi claims ethnic cleansing of Georgians

Perhaps Washington and Moscow should both respond.
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Speaking of which, Human Rights Watch and the AP also have some compelling testimony....

Tbilisi claims ethnic cleansing of Georgians

Perhaps Washington and Moscow should both respond.
The Georgians started the whole issue, by invading a region that has not been under Georgian control since... ever. Even under the USSR, Tzar's Russia, the area was autonomous running its own business.

Did the Russians go too far by going into Georgia proper? Sure, but it does not change the fact that the Georgians started the conflict by attacking South Osetiea.

The US, Bush, McCain are on the wrong side in this conflict pure and simple. They are defending "Saddam" attacking "Kuwait" and now whinning over the "coalition" kicking them out of "Kuwait"....
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Dirtpoorchris,

Just keep in mind, Prime Minister Putin is strictly pursuing Russia's interests and framing his message toward that end. Other nations have interests in the Caucasus region, too. Ultimately, stability in that region will require compromises, including those from Russia.
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Just keep in mind, Prime Minister Putin is strictly pursuing Russia's interests and framing his message toward that end. Other nations have interests in the Caucasus region, too. Ultimately, stability in that region will require compromises, including those from Russia.
Very true, but that in of itself are no grounds for dismissal of.
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Putin is an ex-KGB officer who now has implicit dictatorial power. Anyone who places any faith in this schmuck needs their head examined.
He speaks from his perspective in maintaining the best interests of Russia, but that in of itself is not a basis for dismissal so easily.
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Putin is an ex-KGB officer who now has implicit dictatorial power. Anyone who places any faith in this schmuck needs their head examined.
Some of his data is proven factual:

1. Georgia did invade South Ossetia before Russia invaded Georgia.
2. The media and government of both Georgia and Russia sought to cover this up. It is still not fully talked about in media circles, to my surprise (it seems like the liberal anti-Bush media would love to sink their teeth into this, but I have not seen this yet. I could have missed some serious investigative reporting on it, and would like to see it if anyone has any - national media, that is.)

I am concerned that the U.S.A. did have prior knowledge, and have seen no conclusive evidence to prove otherwise. Putin's description of events that led up to the Georgia invasion is plausible, and I'd like to see it refuted.

As further background, Defense Secretary Bob Gates was head of CIA at the time of Iran-Contra scandal, which funnelled weapons secretly to fight communists in Central America. His record is not sterling in regards to fair play and open relations.

I am certainly no isolationist, but if the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive strikes and spreading democracy includes secretly disrupting peace agreements between the Bear and her former territories, I'm not in. That's careless and breeding tensions between Russia and the West that I see has no value.

We need Russia to join us in efforts to combat nuclear proliferation and improved world relations. We step further away from those achievements by under-handed dealings with their neighbors that uses military force to accomplish democratic ends that had no commensurate threat to justify such force.

The truth is not always pretty, the sides of good and evil are not always black and white. If we allow our government and media to paint a picture of such fixed notions, we are but sheep subject to the whims of the power elite.

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