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To jfuh - I have to admit I was wrong, having watched the report they showed Chinese pro-Tibet protesters as well as the major feature being the huge numbers of pro-China Chinese. There are some Chinese who protest the Tibetan cause and they are labeled "Democracy protesters..."

The pro-Beijing Chinese called the protesters "traitors".

Jake Blues

Meanwhile in Japan,Korea and Malaysia protest and more thugism from Chinese nationals.Checkout Youtube and search Torch relay.Take your pick of the many problems there were.

AsIseeIt

1. Thugs? Here is an eye opener. Please watch "Protesters use flamethrowers against police" in Other evils are featured in the other 4 video clips.


2. FREE TIBET MOVEMENT in


3. "A nation that does not know its history has no future."
Please watch "how Hollywood stereotyped your(???) own people -- the Native Americans" in


4. Please find out what John & Dick are talking about in


5. "Racist White Students Mock Matin Luther King Day" in

jfuh

How did I miss this thread?


What you will note is how very few to no major western medial outlet reported on the pro-olympic support rallies.
Now sure it's not as news worthy, but one gets a sense of just why the west views the way it does.
Hong Kong is as democratic as China gets.
On the other side of the straight Taiwan also supports the olympics.

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jfuh

Thugism from Chinese nationals? Please by all means enlighten me and show us all of this "thugism" from chinese nationals.

bub

is calling French people "nazis" and boycotting them because some of them dared to wave Tibetan flags considered as "thugism"?

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jfuh

No that is clearly not thuggery, there is no brutality nor forcefulness aka acting like a thug.
Since you brought it up what were those French calling them while they waving Tibetan military flags?

bub

yes in fact you must be right, I don't know the exact meaning of "thug"

they called China for what it is, a brutal dictatorship without freedom of speech and where 22 people are executed every day

jfuh

China is far more than that. But why can Chinese not boycott what they don't want? If they are going to boycott who are you, I, or anyone else to tell them they can not?
Additionally China is not a dictatorship, unless you are insinuating that Hu Jintao is a dictator - which he clearly is not - for if he were he would have a life time rule but he doesn't.
China is a one party state.
As for executions is that why it is brutal? Harsh and un-necessary punishments I would agree, but it is only as brutal as the US is as well.
With regards to freedom of speech, there is free speech; no one really cares what you say; however there is no free press nor is there freedom to assemble and protest. That doesn't mean brutality it's highly undesirable and on these it needs to reform if it is to truly join the international community - but if the past 20 years is any indication it's only a matter of time.

How many nations started out with freedom for everyone? I can't think of a single one.

AsIseeIt

1. Traitors exist in almost all nations from time immemorial. History has shown that there is nothing to fear about an external enemy, no matter how powerful it is; but for an internal enemy, even a single traitor, can wreck the whole nation. For instance, as far back as 480 BC in the Battle of Thermopylae, the famous 300 Spartans were able to defend a pass against Xerxes’ vast armies until they were betrayed by a traitor. Please read Battle of Thermopylae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In the Battle of Thermopylae (as detailed almost entirely by Herodotus), which occurred in 480 BC, an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian Empire at the pass of Thermopylae in central Greece. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the Persians for three days in one of history's most famous last stands. A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I of Persia could pass. After three days of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes is believed to have betrayed the Greeks by revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. Dismissing the rest of the army, King Leonidas stayed behind with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespian volunteers, 400 Thebans that had been pressed into service, and 900 Helots. (End excerpts)

2. Traitors are nothing new to China. For instance, it was recorded in Chinese Eunuchs / Societies / Research / Wuxiapedia - The comprehensive wuxia knowledge base that Eunuch Chung-hsing Shou was furious that he was sent to Mongolia to accompany an imperial princess who was to be wed by the Mongolian, so he defected to Mongolia and helped to organize the Mongolians to the future dismay of Han China. This represents the first attempt by the Mongolians to use Chinese methods against the Han Dynasty in their raids and wars.

During the Japanese invasions against China and Southeast Asia in the Second World War, the Japanese invaders made use of Chinese traitors (called "Han Jian" by the Chinese) to single out Chinese nationalists and anti-Japanese guerrilla fighters. Many innocent Chinese were killed in the process.

3. According to the Christian Bible, Jesus was betrayed by Judas Iscariot. Even God's Son could be betrayed by a traitor, then how can we mortals be immuned from any act of betrayal?

It would be inappropriate to label Hong Kong's Chinese activists as "traitors" for carrying a pro-democracy banner that read, "Return power to the people". However, it would be provocative and adding insult to injury for somebody, especially a Chinese citizen, to protest with a Tibetan flag (which is an official banned item) on Chinese soil.

Just imagine an American girl protesting with Al Qaeda's flag in front of the Mayor of New York and her countrymen on the Anniversary of the events of September 11, 2001. It would be laughable for the university student to complain about the police: "What right do they have to take me away? I have a right to express my opinion."