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For those who are interested, OpinionJournal.com has posted an October 23, 2007 commentary piece written ... |
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Originally Posted by donsutherland1 For those who are interested, OpinionJournal.com has posted an October 23, 2007 commentary piece written by Benazir Bhutto in which she indicated that radical Islamists were seeking to assassinate her.
Briefly, Bhutto wrote: Oct. 18 underscores the critical situation we confront in Pakistan today--trying to campaign for free, fair and transparent elections under the threat of terrorism. It demonstrates the logistical, strategic and moral challenge before us. How do we bring the election campaign to the people under the very real threat of assassination and mass casualties of the innocent?
The attack on me was not totally unexpected. I had received credible information that I was being targeted by elements that wanted to disrupt the democratic process--specifically that Baitul Masood (an Afghan who leads the Taliban forces in North Waziristan), Hamza bin Laden (an Arab), and a Red Mosque militant had been sent to kill me. I also feared that they were being used by their sympathizers, who have infiltrated the security and administration of my country, and who now fear that the return of democracy will thwart their plans...
Obviously I knew the risks. I had been targeted twice before by al Qaeda assassins, including the infamous Ramzi Yousef. Knowing the modus operandi of these terrorists, coming back to the same target again (i.e. the World Trade Center), certainly underscored the danger... |
this is convincing, you should post that in the "breaking news" section too!
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Originally Posted by bub where did you read that those who killed her were Islamists? | At one time if a black church was blown up in the South of this country it was not unreasonable to assume it was the KKK, but that is really irrelevant, call the Klan Al Quacka light, the bombing of a black church is terrorism. {period}
“Responsibility! Who cares?” (September 11, 2001, 10:59:42 AM)
We can fight a terrorist group with belligerence, still the name of the group(s) can change with a breath, and we can fight with law enforcement (Google “JB Stoner,” he walked around like Colonel Sanders), and we can fight the method (terrorism) with morality and education.
Which way do you think would be more successful over the long term, belligerence, law enforcement, or morality?
Both belligerence and law enforcement depend upon morality. Belligerence without a goal of morality is seen as war crimes, law enforcement in a hostile swamp of immorality is futile; the swamp cannot be drained with belligerence alone without local law enforcement becoming moral.
Al Quacka is as responsible for the attack as any terrorist, as is any tyranny, as is anyone who supports Hamas, or KKK...
It is a sad day regardless of who the magical "they" are…
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Awards: | Re: The Bhutto Assassination: Some Quick Thoughts Great series of posts, Don. Thanks for posting them. I got more out of your posts about the situation, particularly the first two, than I did in all the news reports and instant analysis throughout the day. There is no longer any room for doubt about who is responsible for Killing Bhutto. I agree with you that in this time of instability the US must support Musharraf and see Pakistan through the crisis. I see no way to hold the elections as scheduled at this point with Bhutto dead leaving the PPP with no viable candidate and Nawaz Sherif refusing to take part.
The loss of Bhutto is very hard blow to those of us who were hoping for a return to constitutional government in that country. |
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First of all, Islamic extremism is not on the rise in Pakistan. Less than 10% of Pakistanis support them, which is down considerably from just a few years ago.
Second of all, there is little risk of Pakistan being "Talibanized" because despite their resurgence in some rural areas of Pakistan, they simply do not have the manpower to take over a country the size of Pakistan.
Third of all, it is no longer in ANYONE'S interest to support Musharraf. He allowed this to happen, either by direct association or by intentional negligence to protect her. We'd be better off with Sharif, or Bhutto's successor, or even another military leader who overthrows Musharraf in a coup.
Fourth of all, these predictions about what will happen - which you posted less than two hours after her death - are entirely speculative. You have absolutely no idea what will happen in Pakistan now. No one does. While anticipating actions and reacting to them is a key part of international politics, it's absurd to think you can figure it out within 90 minutes of her death. Musharraf hadn't made any comment, Bhutto's party hadn't given any speeches, Sharif hadn't commented, Bush hadn't commented, etc.
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Lean: Centrist Gender:  Awards: | Re: The Bhutto Assassination: Some Quick Thoughts I am encouraged that Pakistan's President has so far taken a course in the middle of the options I had outlined yesterday. He is not yet moving to impose full-scale restrictions. At the same time, he is not taking a business-as-usual approach. Instead, he is letting the situation determine what steps will be taken.
So far, the following measures have been announced or are being undertaken.
• The Army has been placed on high alert in sensitive areas (Geo TV, Dubai)
• Pakistani special forces were deployed in Mirpurkhas to deal with an "untoward situation" (Geo TV, Dubai)
• Curfews will be imposed, if necessary, in areas in which violence erupts (Geo TV, Dubai)
• Pakistan's Interior Ministry will initiate an "operation" against outlawed religious organizations and other extremist groups including Al Qaeda and the Taliban (Khabrain, Islamabad)
• Any decision to postpone the January 8 elections will be taken after the consultation of the political parties. The parties have been invited to review the situation (Associated Press of Pakistan news agency). The All Parties Conference would effectively make the decision whether to delay the election (Dawn)
As noted earlier in this thread, I believe the U.S. should wholly support whatever course President Musharraf takes. Otherwise, good intentions notwithstanding, the U.S. could undermine Pakistan's precarious moderate foundations.
With respect to the decisions that have been made and the process now underway, I am encouraged, because that strategy at least for now avoids the need for the kind of high-risk crackdown that could backfire. By that I mean, a harsh crackdown would be initiated, but then rapidly ended under pressure before accomplishing its major objectives. Such a turn could then lead to a worse situation than what had preceded the crackdown.
There is ample past precedent whereby governments under pressure from spiraling unrest and violence have initiated severe crackdowns that included some or all of the following elements: mass arrests, suspension of parliamentary/judicial functions, suspension of elections, bans on public meetings and gatherings, martial law, among others.
However, within months, on account of internal and external pressure, the embattled government rapidly changed course. Widespread amnesty, rushed liberalization, select resignations/firings, power sharing, and even appointment of a caretaker government followed. Unfortunately, as the short duration of the crackdown did not allow sufficient time for the gradual building of stronger political, legal, and law enforcement/security institutions and pent up pressures remained, the rushed easing tended to backfire. Outside pressures to accelerate liberalization could actually hasten the demise of opportunities for a more liberal form of government.
Anti-government elements saw the move as indicating the government's mortal weakness and expanded their efforts to bring about its collapse. Violence quickly increased. Public confidence in the nation's institutions and the ability of its government to survive dissipated. Moderate elements and the Middle Class, even as they had an enormous stake in the outcome, retreated to the sidelines leaving the "battlefield" to the government and more extreme elements. Religious clergy sometimes joined the extremist anti-government side. Military and security insubordination and sabotage began to proliferate.
Against that backdrop, the existing or caretaker government saw its ability to maintain order disintegrate. Afterward, such a government was swept away. More often than not, its successor proved even more illiberal than the government it toppled.
Given Pakistan's complexities and the feudal nature of the radical Islamist elements that are gathering influence in that nation, the collapse of President Musharraf's government would, more than likely, see the rise of a much harsher regime. Any brief democratic interlude that might be possible in the aftermath of a fall of President Musharraf would quite likely be targeted and more likely than not stamped out by the uncompromising radical Islamists who view any kind of relatively liberal, secular, and democratic government as antithetical to Islam.
On October 31, 1978, as the Shah of Iran embarked on a desperate bid to rapidly liberalize his government under heavy pressure from President Carter, The Washington Post opined, "Political liberalization involves...a great gamble. Who knows what really will work? The place is in many respects still feudal; it is not what you would call Thomas Jefferson country."
That description very closely fits Pakistan today. Prudence, not haste, will be key to helping that nation move onto a firmer foundation for a long, gradual democratic evolution. Reform needs to be undertaken at a pace that a country's institutions can evolve and its society can adapt. A much faster rate of change can only risk its political and institutional disintegration.
That is the course President Musharraf should pursue. The U.S. should offer him unqualified support in his bid to help his nation navigate the great hazards that lie ahead.
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Gender:  | Re: The Bhutto Assassination: Some Quick Thoughts donsutherland1,
With opposition parties boycotting the elections anyway, the only point of having them is to save face for Musharaff (and the US). Whether or not they happen will do little to calm the discontent there because many people do not feel that the government is legitimate.
That said, it's better to have elections than to not have them no matter how flawed they are. Musharaff is at the very least a capable dictator who seems to know when to apply the boot and when to let the populace let off steam. I don't have any serious issues with the way Musharaff has handled this crisis so far.
In the short term things are under control, but the future after Musharaff is continuing to look bleaker and farther away.
I think your comparison to Iran is way off base, albeit the current polarization is probably radicalizing the country more and more, which I'm sure was the intent of the assassination. It's funny when people questioned the capacity for Iraq to carry out a democracy in the wake of Saddam (during the build up to the Iraq war), the right was calling those people racist and what not. But now the shoe is on the other foot with Pakistan.
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Current Mood: | Re: The Bhutto Assassination: Some Quick Thoughts Thanks Don for the informative posts, snippets, and links. On most points, I agree with your fluid analysis.
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Current Mood: | Re: The Bhutto Assassination: Some Quick Thoughts I am disgusted that anyone could advocate rewarding Musharraf for his intentional negligence in providing Bhutto with adequate security. He is one of the worst leaders in Pakistan's history...and that's really saying a lot. He has been an abysmal failure in combating terrorism, promoting stability, securing his country's nukes, promoting liberty, and just about every possible criteria.
Bhutto's successor, or Nawaz Sharif, or even another moderate military leader who overthrows Musharraf in a coup...none of them would be good, but any of them would be better than Musharraf.
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Originally Posted by Kandahar I am utterly disgusted that anyone could advocate rewarding Musharraf for his intentional negligence in providing Bhutto with adequate security. He is one of the worst leaders in Pakistan's history...and that's really saying a lot. He has been an abysmal failure in combating terrorism, promoting stability, securing his country's nukes, promoting liberty, and just about every possible criteria.
Bhutto's successor, or Nawaz Sharif, or even another military leader who overthrows Musharraf in a coup...anyone would be better than Musharraf. | An old addage comes to mind... The devil you know may be better than the devil you know not. |
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Originally Posted by Tashah An old addage comes to mind... The devil you know may be better than the devil you know not. | As long as the devil I don't know isn't a card-carrying member of the Taliban, I don't see how he/she could be much worse than Musharraf has been.
What are the reasons that Western nations have supported Musharraf up until now? Certainly not his love of liberty. The usual justifications have been to stabilize Pakistan, to secure the nukes, and to combat terrorism. Well, he's failed on all three of those counts. So what is the remaining justification for supporting him?
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