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Luke Cage

Daredevil 1--8
Daredevil 2--6
Jessica Jones--6
Luke Cage---9

Opinions will vary but it seems to be put together much better. Stronger storyline and acting.
 
Daredevil 1--8
Daredevil 2--6
Jessica Jones--6
Luke Cage---9

Opinions will vary but it seems to be put together much better. Stronger storyline and acting.
I would probably rate Jessica Jones higher, but that's mostly because Kristen Ritter has a crush on me (in my reality). But I have a rough idea of your criteria, so...wow. I expect to be impressed.
 
I would probably rate Jessica Jones higher, but that's mostly because Kristen Ritter has a crush on me (in my reality). But I have a rough idea of your criteria, so...wow. I expect to be impressed.

I had a hard time finding anyone in the Jessica Jones storyline with a redeeming quality. Even JJ herself was so damaged it was hard to root for anyone in that series. I guess that's strong characterization but still, it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.
 
1/2 way through the 1st episode, so far this cast is spectacular. I'm hooked enough to commit most of my weekend to binge watch this.
 
I had a hard time finding anyone in the Jessica Jones storyline with a redeeming quality. Even JJ herself was so damaged it was hard to root for anyone in that series. I guess that's strong characterization but still, it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

That's what I liked about it. Jessica considered herself a "piece of ****" and so part of her felt she deserved Kilgrave's abuse and that she didn't deserve forgiveness for her actions under his influence. That's pretty standard with abuse victims, and throw in some survivor's remorse and we get the mess that is JJ who is struggling just to be a decent human being and facing pressure to be a hero.

Daredevil took a different route, but it seems like all three shows are examining what it means to be a hero and why anyone would be stupid enough to do it.
 
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It's on my list.


I just finished the previous season of Longmire before starting the new season release to refresh my Swiss cheese brain.



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That's what I liked about it. Jessica considered herself a "piece of ****" and so part of her felt she deserved Kilgrave's abuse and that she didn't deserve forgiveness for her actions under his influence. That's pretty standard with abuse victims, and throw in some survivor's remorse and we get the mess that is JJ who is struggling just to be a decent human being and facing pressure to be a hero.

Daredevil took a different route, but it seems like all three shows are examining what it means to be a hero and why anyone would be stupid enough to do it.

Bolded: Absolutely. All of them are very human, relatable people with faults and things to overcome. I'm on episode 5, I had high expectations but they have been met so far.
 
Currently on episode 4. Well, its definitely better than the totally boring Jessica Jones, but I still think Daredevil season 1 was the best superhero show on TV.

So far its kind of predictable. Remy from House of Cards is a good villain but he's just an ordinary guy who is totally outclassed. If the writers made Luke Cage less angsty this would have been a one episode show.

I hope they make Moon Knight into a TV show.
 
Honestly, I couldn't even finish Daredevil season 2. Have tried to watch it twice, can't get more than a few episodes in. Wasn't a fan of Jessica Jones either.

Daredevil season 1, and now Luke Cage are the only Marvel shows worth watching IMO. Not sure which one is better, though.
 
Its good, its very good.

Rank it with Daredevil 1, Daredevil 2, and Jessica Jones.


Agreed, Binged watch 1-13 already and it was awesome.
I was actually VERY surprised. I didn't think I'd be into it.

I can't rank it with the others cause I haven't watch them yet, they haven't been able to draw me in yet. Im sure I will eventually though.
 
We're on episode 8 and honestly I don't know if we've got the strength to finish the season. Unlike Jessica Jones, it has no compelling storyline, no compelling past or motivation for the hero, and no compelling arch-nemesis. The story just meanders about hoping that if it trudges forward long enough it'll find a story to latch onto. It would occasionally get a little fun when it pushed a seventies blaxploitation Shaft-like theme, but that's as far as the enjoyment meter could rise.

Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke cage are eventually supposed to join Iron Fist in a Defenders mashup, and so far as they've built up his character Luke Cage will definitely be what Hawkeye is to The Avengers: the vanilla character no one gives a damn about. And even then, no obviously central hero on the level of Iron Man's charisma has been created, so all I can say is they better pull a rabbit out of their hat with Iron Fist, because if all four heroes are this bland then The Defenders is going to be in trouble.
 
We're on episode 8 and honestly I don't know if we've got the strength to finish the season. Unlike Jessica Jones, it has no compelling storyline, no compelling past or motivation for the hero, and no compelling arch-nemesis. The story just meanders about hoping that if it trudges forward long enough it'll find a story to latch onto. It would occasionally get a little fun when it pushed a seventies blaxploitation Shaft-like theme, but that's as far as the enjoyment meter could rise.

Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Luke cage are eventually supposed to join Iron Fist in a Defenders mashup, and so far as they've built up his character Luke Cage will definitely be what Hawkeye is to The Avengers: the vanilla character no one gives a damn about. And even then, no obviously central hero on the level of Iron Man's charisma has been created, so all I can say is they better pull a rabbit out of their hat with Iron Fist, because if all four heroes are this bland then The Defenders is going to be in trouble.
I don't think the problem is Cage himself, but the villains. None of them are particularly compelling, unlike Wilson Fisk, Kilgrave, or Punisher (or the Hand). I cared about Luke...I didn't care about the villains.
 
I don't think the problem is Cage himself, but the villains. None of them are particularly compelling, unlike Wilson Fisk, Kilgrave, or Punisher (or the Hand). I cared about Luke...I didn't care about the villains.

At the absolute bare minimum, the protagonist is defined by the antagonist. By not creating a fitting one for Luke Cage they left him essentially standing there trying to high-five someone and not having it returned. And I stand by what I said about Cage himself: the lack of a of a fitting arch nemesis has merely highlighted his character's lack of breadth.

Kilgrave was the best of the antagonists thus far. He was not only played by a highly skilled actor, but he and Jones were given a past that defined their motivations, and his power was the perfect foil for Jessica Jones' super strength. He could control minds. That's a pretty goddamn efficient way of canceling out a person's super power. Cottonmouth, on the other hand, is simply a thug. As he himself said in an earlier episode, all Cage has to do is...show up!...and everybody scatters like roaches. It was an amusing line, but it doesn't make for a compelling story.
 
Rank it with Daredevil 1, Daredevil 2, and Jessica Jones.

Daredevil 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil 2
Jessica Jones

That'd be my ranking thus far. But all of them are good, so even though JJ is the lowest for me, it's still a "definitely watch"
 
Agreed, Binged watch 1-13 already and it was awesome.
I was actually VERY surprised. I didn't think I'd be into it.

I can't rank it with the others cause I haven't watch them yet, they haven't been able to draw me in yet. Im sure I will eventually though.

Ok Update....

I have now binge watched Jessica Jones. I think I might like it better but only slightly like maybe a half point to full point. I was thinking though this MIGHT be because I watched Luke first though, so when he showed up in jessica jones I was pumped. Tough call.

Time to binge watch Daredevil and ill report back. :)
 
Daredevil 1--8
Daredevil 2--6
Jessica Jones--6
Luke Cage---9

Opinions will vary but it seems to be put together much better. Stronger storyline and acting.

Currently on episode 4. Well, its definitely better than the totally boring Jessica Jones, but I still think Daredevil season 1 was the best superhero show on TV.

So far its kind of predictable. Remy from House of Cards is a good villain but he's just an ordinary guy who is totally outclassed. If the writers made Luke Cage less angsty this would have been a one episode show.

I hope they make Moon Knight into a TV show.

Daredevil 1
Luke Cage
Daredevil 2
Jessica Jones

That'd be my ranking thus far. But all of them are good, so even though JJ is the lowest for me, it's still a "definitely watch"

Ok Update....

I have now binge watched Jessica Jones. I think I might like it better but only slightly like maybe a half point to full point. I was thinking though this MIGHT be because I watched Luke first though, so when he showed up in jessica jones I was pumped. Tough call.

Time to binge watch Daredevil and ill report back. :)

Ok now I have also binged watch both the Daredevils GOODSTUFF!!

So I think im with Z here, while I might be able to rank them the are are "should watch tv"

Luke Cage
Jessica Jones and Daredevil 1
Dare Devil 2

So that leads me to my next question. Nobody mentioned Agents of shield? Yae or Nae?
 
Yes, I couldn't get through much of daredevil or arrow, etc.

But Luke Cage was good all around. It's a solid 8 IMO. Had a discussion with a friend and the main character actor is OK, he looks 100% the part, and his corny vs women is funny, and somehow believable (you look that good, let's be real, you never have to develop being smooth!). But his delivery is a bit vacant sometimes. But in the parts that count, I think he does fine. When he had the afro/beard, he was 100% poster boy for a badass you know who. The music fits and helps set the mood, and is good by itself (I want to find out what some of the nightclub songs were when I get around to it).

The thing I feel they did the best, relative to other shows, is how they threaded the needle in making it a thoroughly african american themed show without being obnoxious (ever?).
Really I hate to even say threaded the needle, it just seems like grown-ups made it, rather than SJW/culture buffoons. Take notes you anti-ierarchy kids.

I mean, steeped in black culture...in Harlem, hitting all the themes from blacks v cops, to corruption, all the music, to hard upbringings, etc., etc., all while not (IMO) being racist or "in your face" at all. It just is. Or rather, maybe its that it blames no one in particular, and simply laments the bad, and gives praise to good, and acknowledges the struggle?
In any case, i mention that because I really expected it to be in your face and a turn off. Instead, getting immersed in another culture, that is accepting...is a breath of fresh air IMO.
 
So I enjoyed Luke cage, but I was never as hooked in it as I was in Jessica Jones or (to a lesser extent) Daredevil. I think it's the lack of actual threat to the main character. Sure, they have the judas bullets but I just wasn't impressed by cottonmouth or diamondback. Killgrave from JJ actually scared the **** out of me and that lended intensity to the show.
 
I like Luke's character a lot. But I agree with some others here. The villain was weak sauce and superhero shows and movies are made or broke by the villain.
 
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