Modern Photography and Ancient Art

kanabco said:

There you go with your facts again. Do you now what a fact is? You have the facts and Getty Images does not? You have the facts and the Associated Press does not? The world is not black and white as you try to make it. Professional photographers of very high standing use neither file format exclusively. They USE BOTH when required.

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But in the case of the Winter Olympics here is what Getty had to say

"The second a photographer fires the shutter on a camera, the resulting image—a high quality JPEG, not an uncompressed RAW file—is transported by ethernet to Getty's central editing office in about 1.5 seconds. There, a team of three editors processes the photo. The first selects the best image and crops it for composition; the second editor color corrects; and the third adds metadata. The whole editing process is done in 30-40 seconds. Once the last editor is done, the image is blasted to the world. It takes about 90 seconds for the images to travel over redundant 100 Mbit/s dedicated lines to Getty's data servers in the the United States."

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A RAW file is larger than a jpg so of course they are going to send the smaller one. That doesnt make jpg's better than the RAW unaltered format for the purpose that photographers demanded RAW for.

I never claimed that jpgs were never used for anything by professional photographers.

Poll: RAW vs JPEG - General Discussion - Topaz Discussion

"Which do you usually shoot with and why? And also, if you use RAW, which processor do you like best?

19% A. JPEG
47% B. RAW
32% C. JPEG + RAW
2% D. It's complicated"

Another poll

POLL: Do You Shoot in RAW?

RAW wins that one too.

Here's a Crazy Comparison Between RAW and JPEG

"I’ve had the option of shooting RAW since my Canon 20D over 10 years ago and even though I’ve never shot JPEG since then, I never actually compared a RAW with JPEG to see the data I would’ve been losing if I let the camera compress the files itself."


Reuters Issues a Worldwide Ban on RAW Photos

“As eyewitness accounts of events covered by dedicated and responsible journalists, Reuters Pictures must reflect reality. While we aim for photography of the highest aesthetic quality, our goal is not to artistically interpret the news.”

So the reason behind jpeg's and Rueters has zero to do with what photographers want and everything to do with curbing faked images. And Associated Press has been demanding jpegs for years before Reuters for the exact same reason. So pointing at that doesnt make a case for you. In fact it was a ignorant assumption. If you are going to talk down to me at least know WTF you are talking about.

kanabco said:

Just for RAW worshipers

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The guy in your video is just sharing his opinions. And he thinks the way old photographers think. Which is fine but that doesnt mean that he is correct. There is nothing wrong with doing it on a PC.

kanabco said:

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Just so that everyone can see your intentions.

FreedomFromAll said:

So pointing at that doesnt make a case for you. In fact it was a ignorant assumption. If you are going to talk down to me at least know WTF you are talking about.

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You cannot describe the "case" I am making.

You came in to this thread saying all pro photographers shoot RAW
I corrected you fully, completly, logically, and firmly
You cannot stand to be corrected
That is twice you have called me ignorant.

kanabco said:

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You cannot describe the "case" I am making.

You came in to this thread saying all pro photographers shoot RAW
I corrected you fully, completly, logically, and firmly
You cannot stand to be corrected
That is twice you have called me ignorant.

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Oh cool I made the old guy laugh. That laughing though isnt going to dig your way out of the hole that you dug for yourself.

FreedomFromAll said:

Oh cool I made the old guy laugh. That laughing though isnt going to dig your way out of the hole that you dug for yourself.

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Weak... all you have to do is describe the "case" you say I was making. Deflect deflect deflect.
I have NEVER said RAW was not the right way to shoot. I only corrected you when you said all pros shoot RAW (or conversely never shoot jpg).
I win unless you can prove anything to the contrary.

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What it really comes down to is, Is photography art, and the short answer is, it can be.
We have all seen photographs that simply take your breath away,
pieces that the photographer has captured something on film or digital array,
that is near indescribable. You may not be able to put you finger on what it is,
but it stirs something inside you.
The great masters did it with oils on canvas and board, captured something
that draws you into it when you see it.
Great photographers can with practice capture some of this in a photograph.

FreedomFromAll said:

A RAW file is larger than a jpg so of course they are going to send the smaller one.

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So there you have it...you agree then that AP and Getty shoot jpg sometimes. you are just yammering now.

kanabco said:

So there you have it...you agree then that AP and Getty shoot jpg sometimes. you are just yammering now.

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No, AP always uses JPEG's it a rule that they have in hopes to stop fake images from being printed. Which has zero to do with what photographers want to do.

So AP and Reuters doesnt count at all.



Which means what I said still stands that the majority of professional photographers use RAW. You on the other hand are still trying to make your "Raw is unnecessary and many pros don't use them for all images' argument stick. It is just as ignorant as the old guy and his "I shoot jpg portraits" nonsense.

kanabco said:

Weak... all you have to do is describe the "case" you say I was making. Deflect deflect deflect.
I have NEVER said RAW was not the right way to shoot. I only corrected you when you said all pros shoot RAW (or conversely never shoot jpg).
I win unless you can prove anything to the contrary.

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All (modern) pros do shoot RAW, you havent proved otherwise. The RAW vs JPEG argument has been over for a while now and RAW won. Thats the problem with using google, sometimes your results are old. You seem to be depending on old hits from google as your argument and most of those hits are just stubborn individuals.

Perhaps old man you can learn something new?

https://www.lynda.com/Camera-Raw-tutorials/Exploring-Photography-Shooting-Raw-Mode/444922-2.html

"Ben Long
Released 3/18/2016
You hear experienced photographers say it all the time: shoot raw format to get the best quality. But what does "raw" really mean? "

So what it comes down too is that inexperienced photographers shoot JPEGS or photographers who are restricted to shooting JPEG. At best you can only claim that the pros sometimes shoot JPEG + RAW. But hey you knew that right? It doesnt appear that you did it appears that you googled a subject that you know little about hoping to see how I would react for your troll fascinations.