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Has anyone been watching this? The first two episodes are up on Amazon, and this show is freaking awesome! I love alt historical fiction, and seeing a world where the Allies lost the war, and the Nazi's and Japan have control over the US is just fascinating and chilling. I highly recommend watching it. It's well acted, the plot so far is very interesting, and the world is just amazing. In a creepy sort of way.
 
Has anyone been watching this? The first two episodes are up on Amazon, and this show is freaking awesome! I love alt historical fiction, and seeing a world where the Allies lost the war, and the Nazi's and Japan have control over the US is just fascinating and chilling. I highly recommend watching it. It's well acted, the plot so far is very interesting, and the world is just amazing. In a creepy sort of way.


I'm planning on checking it out, and I'm certainly very interested in the concept.

I think I'm going to wait until the full season comes out, however, so that I can binge it.
 
Has anyone been watching this? The first two episodes are up on Amazon, and this show is freaking awesome! I love alt historical fiction, and seeing a world where the Allies lost the war, and the Nazi's and Japan have control over the US is just fascinating and chilling. I highly recommend watching it. It's well acted, the plot so far is very interesting, and the world is just amazing. In a creepy sort of way.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for reminding me this is back on! I watched the pilot (seems like eons ago) and voted for it to be made into a series and have been waiting ever since.
 
I'm planning on checking it out, and I'm certainly very interested in the concept.

I think I'm going to wait until the full season comes out, however, so that I can binge it.

You can always read the book while you wait.
 
I'm planning on checking it out, and I'm certainly very interested in the concept.

I think I'm going to wait until the full season comes out, however, so that I can binge it.

Yeah, I kind of wish I did that, because I really want the rest now, lol. I'm so used to binge watching things it sucks when you can't. I may have to check out the book it's based on in the meantime. Another great thing about the show is the way they corrupt traditional American symbols is just so disturbing. Like, when I saw the new American flag it really disturbed me.
 
Has anyone been watching this? The first two episodes are up on Amazon, and this show is freaking awesome! I love alt historical fiction, and seeing a world where the Allies lost the war, and the Nazi's and Japan have control over the US is just fascinating and chilling. I highly recommend watching it. It's well acted, the plot so far is very interesting, and the world is just amazing. In a creepy sort of way.

Pardon me if I pat my own back: http://www.debatepolitics.com/art-and-entertainment/214437-man-high-castle.html
 
You can always read the book while you wait.

The book is somewhat different though, nevertheless its my favorite Philip K Dick book since its the only one he wrote that had a decent plot. :mrgreen:

As far as the TV show goes I watched the pilot and I thought it was okay. I'm gonna wait till the whole season is released so I can binge it.

I just finished binge watching The Strain Season 2 and it had a really disappointing finale- it went from okay in season 1 to total crap in season 2!
 
The book is somewhat different though, nevertheless its my favorite Philip K Dick book since its the only one he wrote that had a decent plot. :mrgreen:

As far as the TV show goes I watched the pilot and I thought it was okay. I'm gonna wait till the whole season is released so I can binge it.

I just finished binge watching The Strain Season 2 and it had a really disappointing finale- it went from okay in season 1 to total crap in season 2!

Series finale, or merely a season finale?
 
Series finale, or merely a season finale?

Season finale, I believe they are already making season 3 but there's only one character left who is even mildly interesting while all the others turned into idiots. I may watch it only for that one character next season. :roll:
 
The book is somewhat different though, nevertheless its my favorite Philip K Dick book since its the only one he wrote that had a decent plot. :mrgreen:



Ignore PoS and read the other Philip K. Books. He's very clever.




(Though there are only a few I wouldn't recommend: VALIS, The Divine Invasion, and The Transmogrification of Timothy Archer).
 
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Ignore PoS and read the other Philip K. Books. He's very clever.




(Though there are only a few I wouldn't recommend: VALIS, The Divine Invasion, and The Transmogrification of Timothy Archer).

OK but dont say I didnt warn you. PKD's books are more about ideas than having coherent plots or characters. :shrug:
 
OK but dont say I didnt warn you. PKD's books are more about ideas than having coherent plots or characters.

I dunno. I found the plots to be coherent in the vast majority of them. It's simply that there isn't just one consistent plot. His books will typically take you in one direction and then all of a sudden the story is different than what you were expecting. (ie, Ubik).

I just found it strange that you felt The Man in The High Castle was his only coherent plot-oriented book. I'll reread it one day no doubt, but, my memory was that it seemed one of the most idea-focused books of his - exploring his alternative history - and the least plot-focused.
 
I dunno. I found the plots to be coherent in the vast majority of them. It's simply that there isn't just one consistent plot. His books will typically take you in one direction and then all of a sudden the story is different than what you were expecting. (ie, Ubik).

I just found it strange that you felt The Man in The High Castle was his only coherent plot-oriented book. I'll reread it one day no doubt, but, my memory was that it seemed one of the most idea-focused books of his - exploring his alternative history - and the least plot-focused.

The reason why I enjoyed The Man in The High Castle compared to his other works is because there is sort of a progression with the characters- several of them begin to realize that they may be living in a false reality as the book ends. In his other novels the characters just wander in an out and are static chess pieces thet he moves around in order to illustrate his ideas so their actions and motivations make little sense.

Another issue I have with him is his writing. His descriptions and metaphors are turgid and dense to the point that they are nearly unreadable. He describes things and people using disjointed sentences that lack flow and his narrative jump cuts confuse readers to the point where they have to reread a paragraph several times to figure out what he's trying to say. PKD in TMITHC was at his most disciplined because he doesnt go overboard with his subplots about ideas and all that- he writes it consistently all the way through and from all of his books that I read he did it only with that one.

For example in his other book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (which Bladerunner was based on) the android hunting cop Deckard has a religious device that enables him to re enact Jesus' suffering during the crucifixion. PKD just sorts of shifts the narrative from Deckard hunting the androids into him experiencing the Mercerism box without even telling the reader beforehand that he was going to do that, its this kind of narrative shift that confuses readers and pisses them off- he makes his books harder to read when he could have made things easy by placing a transitional paragraph to explain what had happened.

A good article about his limitations as a prose writer is here: What Philip K Dick needed was a co-author | Darragh McManus | Books | The Guardian
 
I'd certainly agree that the prose itself was far from poetic. I overlook its relative simplicity for the plots. (And I like the narrative shifts, myself, as well as some of the ambiguous endings)
 
Ignore PoS and read the other Philip K. Books. He's very clever.




(Though there are only a few I wouldn't recommend: VALIS, The Divine Invasion, and The Transmogrification of Timothy Archer).

When I read that from PoS...my first thought was, "gimme a break."

If you find Philip K. Dick's plots anything but exceptional...you really should not be reading books.
 
Well, sad to say, but my will power gave out and I wound up watching the first two episodes before the 20th after all. :lol:

The show's pretty damn good so far. It does a good job with world building, and atmosphere setting. The "Oh, it's just Tuesday" scene in particular really struck home with the casual horror of what the world's become under Nazi rule.

I was also glad to see that the show's creators were well educated enough not to buy into that nonsensical "the Nazis were Christians" propagandistic myth the far Left so loves to bandy about. The Bible is banned as "subversive" across the Reich, and the Nazis are deliberately noted as not believing in much of anything supernatural at all.

The main villain (so far, anyway) seems to be well handled as well. He's evil, but not mustache-twirlingly so. He's cold, calculating, and ruthless, but also rational, generally non-malicious, and a reasonably affectionate family man to boot. He actually believes in what he's doing, and in the new order. He's also willing to do just about anything to keep it in place, and very competent in doing so. That's part of what makes the very concept of him so frightening.
 
Well, sad to say, but my will power gave out and I wound up watching the first two episodes before the 20th after all. :lol:

The show's pretty damn good so far. It does a good job with world building, and atmosphere setting. The "Oh, it's just Tuesday" scene in particular really struck home with the casual horror of what the world's become under Nazi rule.

I was also glad to see that the show's creators were well educated enough not to buy into that nonsensical "the Nazis were Christians" propagandistic myth the far Left so loves to bandy about. The Bible is banned as "subversive" across the Reich, and the Nazis are deliberately noted as not believing in much of anything supernatural at all.

The main villain (so far, anyway) seems to be well handled as well. He's evil, but not mustache-twirlingly so. He's cold, calculating, and ruthless, but also rational, generally non-malicious, and a reasonably affectionate family man to boot. He actually believes in what he's doing, and in the new order. He's also willing to do just about anything to keep it in place, and very competent in doing so. That's part of what makes the very concept of him so frightening.

Well in PKD's book religion didnt really play much of a role in the story so I'm not surprised it would be left out.

However, the I Ching- the Chinese art of divination by numbers plays a central role to the story as most of the people on the Japanese side of the country were practicing it.

I only watched the pilot and will instead bingewatch the whole series when it comes out in a few days. :cool:
 
Well in PKD's book religion didnt really play much of a role in the story so I'm not surprised it would be left out.

It's actually explained in the show's backstory (I spent some time looking over the 'trivia' features on my Amazon app while watching the show). Hitler didn't have to worry about appeasing religious Conservatives to maintain his power base anymore after the Reich conquered pretty much everything, so he went ahead and put in motion his plan to eliminate the "Jewish" religion of Christianity.

It is worth noting that none of the Occultish Norse Neo-Pagan stuff the SS supposedly believed in has made an appearance so far either, however. I guess we'll see how that all plays out.

However, the I Ching- the Chinese art of divination by numbers plays a central role to the story as most of the people on the Japanese side of the country were practicing it.

True. They're basically still doing the whole "Emperor worship" thing as well.

I only watched the pilot and will instead bingewatch the whole series when it comes out in a few days. :cool:

Lol. I wish I'd held out a bit longer, but "Oh, well." :lol:
 
It's actually explained in the show's backstory (I spent some time looking over the 'trivia' features on my Amazon app while watching the show). Hitler didn't have to worry about appeasing religious Conservatives to maintain his power base anymore after the Reich conquered pretty much everything, so he went ahead and put in motion his plan to eliminate the "Jewish" religion of Christianity.

It is worth noting that none of the Occultish Norse Neo-Pagan stuff the SS supposedly believed in has made an appearance so far either, however. I guess we'll see how that all plays out.



True. They're basically still doing the whole "Emperor worship" thing as well.



Lol. I wish I'd held out a bit longer, but "Oh, well." :lol:

I'm beginning to think that PKD was a total nutcase- he was a paranoid schizo and a drug addict and he actually used the I Ching to determine where the plot of the book would go! :lol:
 
I'm beginning to think that PKD was a total nutcase- he was a paranoid schizo and a drug addict and he actually used the I Ching to determine where the plot of the book would go! :lol:

So, he was a writer. :lol:
 
Tonight's the night!
 
Amazing so far.

LOL At Obf. Smith basically playing a Nazi-fied "Leave it to Beaver" character in Episode 6. Morbid or no, I couldn't help but laugh.

"The Marshal," meanwhile, struck me as being just a tad over the top, but he got the job done as an antagonist for a few episodes.

I'm not sure what to think of the Nazi double agent guy right now. I can't tell if he really is sympathetic to the resistance's cause, or if he simply lets his dick do all of his thinking for him around pretty girls. Lol

I'll be curious to find out just whom, exactly, his "father" happens to be. I think I may have an inkling already, however.

Frink is basically spineless, and, put quite bluntly, stupid. Even when he does act, it is usually out of blind, irrational, and naive emotion. It usually ends badly for that exact reason. I honestly doubt that he'll make it through the season if he keeps going like he is.
 
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Binged the first three episodes. Pretty good so far.

Biggest difference compared to the book and the tv show is that in the book Grasshopper Lies Heavy is actually a book rather than a film reel and it is widely available on the Pacific coast and a lot of people have read it.

Also in the book there really is no resistance movement but I like that addition because it brings more drama as compared to PKD's book which was more about internal conflicts and the perception of reality.

The other thing is that in the neutral zone there doesnt seem to be any cops around so how do they maintain order? Whats to prevent bandits and partisans from sprouting up if there are no cops around? Or is it because Ive only finished episode 3 and I'm asking this too soon?
 
Binged the first three episodes. Pretty good so far.

Biggest difference compared to the book and the tv show is that in the book Grasshopper Lies Heavy is actually a book rather than a film reel and it is widely available on the Pacific coast and a lot of people have read it.

Also in the book there really is no resistance movement but I like that addition because it brings more drama as compared to PKD's book which was more about internal conflicts and the perception of reality.

The other thing is that in the neutral zone there doesnt seem to be any cops around so how do they maintain order? Whats to prevent bandits and partisans from sprouting up if there are no cops around? Or is it because Ive only finished episode 3 and I'm asking this too soon?

It's undeniably a bit of a "wild frontier," but the Axis powers seem to keep intelligence operatives there. Nazi bounty hunters seem to have a very active presence as well.
 
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