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Is Violence Ever Necessary?

Is violence ever necessary?

  • Yes, it is necessary on some rare occassions.

    Votes: 55 94.8%

  • Violence is never necessary, no matter what.

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Total voters
    58
Originally posted by LaMidRighter
I hate the U.N. with a passion, they are impotent, corrupt, and incompetant. Most of the mess with Iraq today can be blamed on U.N. inaction from the post "Desert Storm" period. Not only that, but we are the biggest U.N. contributor and they have the nerve to attempt imposing international law and their collective will on U.S. policies. The entire entity should be dissolved.
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The UN can work if it received more cooperation from the US and we got Bolton the hell out of there. He's a total jerk and a major asshole. And causing nothing but problems. Which gets back to how bad our current President is.
 
Billo_Really said:
The UN can work if it received more cooperation from the US and we got Bolton the hell out of there.
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More cooperation? 62% of the U.N.'s funding comes from our country, a good bit of their military, and we do the dirty work while they talk about genocides and rapidly blossoming problems. What else could we do to help them exactly? They are hopeless and in fact dangerous in that they want a global government.
He's a total jerk and a major asshole. And causing nothing but problems. Which gets back to how bad our current President is.
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Personally, I think Bolton is the right man for this particular job, we need someone to tell the U.N. to stick it up the old hoo-ha every once in a while.
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This poll reminds me of a funny Denny Crane quote:

"It's a good feeling, you know, to shoot a bad guy. Something you Democrats would never understand. -Boston Legal
 
talloulou said:
This poll reminds me of a funny Denny Crane quote:

"It's a good feeling, you know, to shoot a bad guy. Something you Democrats would never understand. -Boston Legal
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nice!:cool:
 
Billo_Really said:
I didn't take anything out of context. Your a warmonger. Deal with it. Your trying to create excuses for violence and I called you on it.
UNSC is irrelevant only to those that cannot obey the law.
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Another grand illustration of a narrow-minded and bigoted post.

You'll note that the question deals with FAR more than international affairs.
YOU are tying to frame the question and the discussion around it in the context of international affairs, exclusively, so you can make the same old, tired, moronic, partisan attacks against the Administration.

You really need to come up with a new routine.

Please -- tell us how the UNSC is at ALL relevant when it comes to me needing or not needing to put a few rounds in someone's chest.
 
Billo_Really said:
The UN can work if it received more cooperation from the US and we got Bolton the hell out of there. He's a total jerk and a major asshole. And causing nothing but problems. Which gets back to how bad our current President is.
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What did Somalia have to do with the current President? What did Bosnia have to do with the current President? What did Sudan have to do with the current President? Those events were foreign policy failures and they involved either the UN or NATO...

Somalia - Before America tucked its tail and ran, a large portion of the UN forces had already just given up and left the country and the UN was made up of just a few countries by the end. The Italien forces was asked to leave the mission for appeasements of Farrah Aideed's militia and for ratting out Marine forces to Aideed himself. The Pakistanis caused an international incident by firing into a crowd of protesters and was asked to leave the mission as well.

Bosnia - The nations of Europe and NATO were debating on what to do about Bosnia long before America got involved and were still debating after we crossed the ocean, yet again, to clean up their mess. We didn't do much, but bomb out military targets and killed some civillians (we talk of them though. Civillians killed under Clinton and in wars you agree with are A-OK.). We are mostly out of Bosnia now, however U.S. Marines remain for "other reasons" and the ethnic cleansings persist.

Sudan - Hear the crickets? That's the sound of the UN when asked to do something in America's absence besides whining about the attrocities going on inside that country. U.S. Marines are in Chad and Ethiopia and frequently cross the border to halt ethnic cleansings that are happening close to those borders. Where is the UN? They sure were voicing up during the beginning of the Iraq war. As always, their whines are bigger than their fists.

So much for how much the UN would work if Bolton left. Did you just discover that there is a big bad world of corruption out there when 9/11 occurred? Don't be so obtuse. :roll:
 
Billo_Really said:
A lot of good we did, Mr. Wizard. Their about to have a civil war!
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What an absolute ignorant post. First, democracy faces an uphill struggle in tribal cultures where blood ties trump national interests. Want proof of this? Look anywhere in the Muslim world and especially Pakistan. Second, democracy has no worse enemy than corruption. The world doesn't need another Pakistan, where only bayonets hold the state together. If anyone dooms democracy in Iraq, it won't be the foreign terrorists, but a corrupt political elite and religious feuding. The politicians pave the way for the generals. Civil war may be the natural course for these people at this time in their history. For all we know, a civil war may very well be the next step to their future. It was for us.
 
Originally posted by GySgt:
What an absolute ignorant post. First, democracy faces an uphill struggle in tribal cultures where blood ties trump national interests. Want proof of this? Look anywhere in the Muslim world and especially Pakistan. Second, democracy has no worse enemy than corruption. The world doesn't need another Pakistan, where only bayonets hold the state together. If anyone dooms democracy in Iraq, it won't be the foreign terrorists, but a corrupt political elite and religious feuding. The politicians pave the way for the generals. Civil war may be the natural course for these people at this time in their history. For all we know, a civil war may very well be the next step to their future. It was for us.
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You just dig war and intolerance.
 
Originally posted by GySgt:
What did Somalia have to do with the current President? What did Bosnia have to do with the current President? What did Sudan have to do with the current President? Those events were foreign policy failures and they involved either the UN or NATO...

Somalia - Before America tucked its tail and ran, a large portion of the UN forces had already just given up and left the country and the UN was made up of just a few countries by the end. The Italien forces was asked to leave the mission for appeasements of Farrah Aideed's militia and for ratting out Marine forces to Aideed himself. The Pakistanis caused an international incident by firing into a crowd of protesters and was asked to leave the mission as well.

Bosnia - The nations of Europe and NATO were debating on what to do about Bosnia long before America got involved and were still debating after we crossed the ocean, yet again, to clean up their mess. We didn't do much, but bomb out military targets and killed some civillians (we talk of them though. Civillians killed under Clinton and in wars you agree with are A-OK.). We are mostly out of Bosnia now, however U.S. Marines remain for "other reasons" and the ethnic cleansings persist.

Sudan - Hear the crickets? That's the sound of the UN when asked to do something in America's absence besides whining about the attrocities going on inside that country. U.S. Marines are in Chad and Ethiopia and frequently cross the border to halt ethnic cleansings that are happening close to those borders. Where is the UN? They sure were voicing up during the beginning of the Iraq war. As always, their whines are bigger than their fists.

So much for how much the UN would work if Bolton left. Did you just discover that there is a big bad world of corruption out there when 9/11 occurred? Don't be so obtuse.
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Your damn right there is a lot of corruption out there. And we play a big part of it.
 
Originally posted by Goobieman:
Another grand illustration of a narrow-minded and bigoted post.

You'll note that the question deals with FAR more than international affairs.
YOU are tying to frame the question and the discussion around it in the context of international affairs, exclusively, so you can make the same old, tired, moronic, partisan attacks against the Administration.

You really need to come up with a new routine.

Please -- tell us how the UNSC is at ALL relevant when it comes to me needing or not needing to put a few rounds in someone's chest.
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Why would you need to put of few rounds in someone's chest?
 
Billo_Really said:
Why would you need to put of few rounds in someone's chest?
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How about these.

Someone is trying to rape your wife
Someone is trying to rape your child
Someone is trying kill your wife
Someone is trying kill your kids
Someone is trying kill you.
someone is trying to rape...errr never mind on that one.

How about this LAST one.

Your part of a UN mission to FEED PEOPLE, STARVING PEOPLE and scumbag motherf***ers are trying to kill you and steal the food supplies!

Is that good reason billo? Y

ou want to live in a world with no violence that kool I would too but its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. When violence is the only thing they listen too. Then guess what

When words don’t work, bullets do its that f***ing simple.

What the hell dont you understand about this?
 
Billo_Really said:
Why would you need to put of few rounds in someone's chest?
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Because aiming for center mass is the preferred method. Haven't you had any weapons training? :roll:
 
Billo_Really said:
Your damn right there is a lot of corruption out there. And we play a big part of it.
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Ummmmm, raising the UN on a pedestal is your talent. Don't back peddle now. And certainly don't get caught missing an opportunity to bash America.
 
cherokee said:
How about these.

Someone is trying to rape your wife
Someone is trying to rape your child
Someone is trying kill your wife
Someone is trying kill your kids
Someone is trying kill you.
someone is trying to rape...errr never mind on that one.

How about this LAST one.

Your part of a UN mission to FEED PEOPLE, STARVING PEOPLE and scumbag motherf***ers are trying to kill you and steal the food supplies!

Is that good reason billo? Y

ou want to live in a world with no violence that kool I would too but its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. When violence is the only thing they listen too. Then guess what

When words don’t work, bullets do its that f***ing simple.

What the hell dont you understand about this?
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This is the part where he swims within the sea of "political correctness" and vomits out his beliefs.
 
Billo_Really said:
You just dig war and intolerance.
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or maybe he is yet another practical person who lives in the real world
unlike you and so many libs
 
It’s the same bullchit the UN spreads 24/7.
Its the same bullchit they argued about instead of sending in troops to Rwanda, Bosnia and the same bullchit they used when the US pulled out of Mogadishu. 18 solders died with another 80+ wounded for what?
They should have hunted down every last one of Aidid’s men. PERIOD

I remember seeing live shots of our solders being pulled around on the streets, was I pi$$ed? You bet you’re a$$ but nowhere near as pi$$ed as when I heard the US was pulling out. So much for the “Feed the Starving.”

Because of bullchit negations 800k died, no one knows the number wounded or raped in Rwanda.
Just how many f***ing people have to die before its ok to use violence?

How many are dying in Dafur right now?

I bet if non-violence people could visit the site of a massacre or mass grave and smell blood or rotting flesh it would change your mind in a heartbeat. That’s a smell you will NEVER get rid of.


I watched a movie last week that wasn’t all that good acting but it did bring home a point. A line in the movie was “For all the times they told us to stand down and we did nothing, For our sins” That may not be the same words but its the meaning.
Tears of the Sun.

I cant the number of times I wanted to do the right thing but it always came down from some sob sitting in the safety of his A/C’ed condo eating bon-bon’s and watching cable TV, NO.

If the only way to get the type of people like those in Mogadishu, Bosnia, Rwanda, and Dafar to stop is by the end of a rifle then so be.

You can call me any damn thing you want warmonger whatever
I don’t f***ing care because at the end of the day me and my type will end the genocides and massacres while you’re choking on your hagen daz ice cream.
 
Originally posted by Deejay:
or maybe he is yet another practical person who lives in the real world
unlike you and so many libs
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Or maybe not. After showing him a picture of the destruction in Falluja, he said I was imagining things. Does that sound like someone who lives in the real world?
 
Originally posted by GySgt:
Ummmmm, raising the UN on a pedestal is your talent. Don't back peddle now. And certainly don't get caught missing an opportunity to bash America.
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That's what you would like to think, but it's not the truth. Since when is asking that we obey the law, bashing America. I call things as I see them. I'm not going to be some little pollyanna and act like everything is OK when I see that it is not. As for the UN, if your going to belong to an organization, you should follow their rules. Especially, when your Congress ratifies some of them and makes them our rules.
 
Originally posted by Cherokee:
How about these.

Someone is trying to rape your wife
Someone is trying to rape your child
Someone is trying kill your wife
Someone is trying kill your kids
Someone is trying kill you.
someone is trying to rape...errr never mind on that one.

How about this LAST one.

Your part of a UN mission to FEED PEOPLE, STARVING PEOPLE and scumbag motherf***ers are trying to kill you and steal the food supplies!

Is that good reason billo? Y

ou want to live in a world with no violence that kool I would too but its NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. When violence is the only thing they listen too. Then guess what

When words don’t work, bullets do its that f***ing simple.

What the hell dont you understand about this?
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Violence and war should be used as a last resort when you have no other choice. We still had choices left when we attacked Iraq and Afganistan.
 
Originally posted by GySgt:
This is the part where he swims within the sea of "political correctness" and vomits out his beliefs.
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Wow, I think this is the first time anyone has ever accused me of being PC. Interesting.
 
Billo_Really said:
Or maybe not. After showing him a picture of the destruction in Falluja, he said I was imagining things. Does that sound like someone who lives in the real world?
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You mean your photodoced picture? Or perhaps of the evaced hospital which was being used by the insurgency as a base of operations from which to kill Americans, that you tried to pawn off as an example of the U.S. blowing up hospitals for sh!ts and giggles?
 
Billo_Really said:
Or maybe not. After showing him a picture of the destruction in Falluja, he said I was imagining things. Does that sound like someone who lives in the real world?
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I didn't type that. I typed that you were taking a bombed out building and exxagerating the damage.

Then I continued to type about Fallujah and what all occurred there.

You then continued to whine about a blown up building. It's a simple mundane tactic used by the desperate who lack the ability to understand the world around him. Have you developed enough deductive skills to realize how much about women's liberation this is about? Probably not.

This is the reality.
 
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Billo_Really said:
Violence and war should be used as a last resort when you have no other choice. We still had choices left when we attacked Iraq and Afganistan.
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Ohhhh, so now you are against Afghanistan too? I guess this is your way of not allowing me to use the fact that you enjoy bashing every aspect of Iraq for the violence, while you ignore what is going on in Afghanistan. You are so easily persuadable.
 
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Billo_Really said:
Violence and war should be used as a last resort when you have no other choice. We still had choices left when we attacked Iraq and Afganistan.
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(you left out the H)


Afghanistan? NO flipping way!

The US told the taliban several times to turn over bin laden they decided not to listen. They received a lot more chances they I would have given.

But please tell, what else could have been done in afghan?
 
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