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ManOfTrueTruth said:
You know, going to Bosnia was kinda like the scene out of Star Wars where Luke Skywalker finds out for the first time that his father was the infamous villian Darth Vader all along and how shocked and shattering it was for Luke. We've done some bad things in the world Teach, whether you care to admit to it or not. Fortunately for Darth Vader, he had a good son that saved him in the last episode.
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What the hell are you taking about?
You compare a war torn country to the movie "star wars"?

Answer me this….Since you claim to have served in the UNMIBH
Why haven’t you posted about how it was
the SERBS who committed the genocide?

Is it you just like to bash the US and not the sob’s who started it?....
 
teacher said:
You sound like you think we were right to go to Bosnia. Is that so in Iraq too?

So if there were no interests then why did we go?
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We should have went to Bosnia in 1991 rather than 1995. However, the reason we eventually became involved was not to stop the genocide necessarily, but because if Clinton continued to ignore and attempt to continue to cover up and lie about what really going on, politically, it would make him look bad and could damage his political career. So, Clinton was motivated by saving his own *** politically by finally and eventually getting involved in Bosnia rather than what was the right thing to do or what was best for the US or the rest of the world. Of course, many right wingers will take this as an opportunity to bash Clinton, but Bush Sr. shares some of the blame as well as both democrats and republicans.
 
Not to mention, when we did get involved and put the Serbs on the run, teacher, we bombed the Serbs, but we conducted our bombing campaign in Bosnia in such a way as to assist the Serbs in their goal of partitioning Bosnia. Since the partitioning of Bosnia could not be achieved behind the scenes and off the news camera's politically, the partitioning of Bosnia had to be achieved through US military force after the Sarajevo Marketplace bombing. So the Dayton Peace Accords accomplished the unjust and unfair partitioning of Bosnia and rewarded Serbs with territory they took via genocide when the US could have easily allowed the Muslims to continue with their offensive operations and roll the Serbs back into Serbia from Bosnia in the name of fairness and justice and then broker a fair, lasting peace, rather than a temporary false peace.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
We've done some bad things in the world Teach, whether you care to admit to it or not.
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You know bro, you just don't make consistant sense. You go on and on about how Clinton covered up for three years, (can't believe I'm sticking up for slick Willie), moan about how we never do anything for morality, when we went into Bosnia without a economic or strategic dog in that fight. So we went to war to fight genocide and instead ended up committing it? I would think Milosovic's forces have a different take on that. Quit making shi*t up to support your agenda.

What's TA-50? You so got SPORTS wrong. Anyone that has been through basic can do that in their sleep.
 
And you see, before our major bombing campaign in 1995, we would bomb Serb targets of insignficant value to the Serbs to send two messages. One message was to the American public that we were serious, but this was a very deceptive message. The other message was to the Serbs was that we are not serious, because the targets we hit had no value, that their really is no price to pay for your genocidal campaign. All in an effort to keep the US out of the Balkans.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
Suit yourself teacher, I shall, ignore you then. So, PeacefulMuslim, as you can see from the example of teacher here, we do have alot of ignorant assholes who enjoy a good witch hunt and cannot tolerate a difference of opinion, skin color or difference of religion.
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Opinions based on study is different than opinions based on emotions and feelings.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
We should have went to Bosnia in 1991 rather than 1995.
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So Bosnia yes, Iraq no? Am I getting this right?

You know dude, it's pretty apparent through all the threads you've started that you think America sucks. America didn't go to to war soon enough in Bosnia and then, what are you saying, we killed Muslims? I'm not sure at this point. Yet God forbid we go to Iraq and help the women, Shits, and Kurds. How dare we? You're all over the map here.

Oh, and that little I'm so serious and I need to relax and drink a beer thing? Let's explore that just a bit, shall we?

ManOfTrueTruth said:
I was interested in seeing the economic philosophy of members of the forum. I believe in an economy that has a mixture of both socialism and capitalism because it is the most fair, humane and pragmatic type of economic system.
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teacher said:
Buy low, sell high.
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ManOfTrueTruth said:
How do you know when the market is actually low? You could buy when the market has been low and the market will just keep going lower and lower and lower and you never recover your lost money.
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So who needs to relax?

Just say it dude, America sucks. Get it out of your system. We know what you think. Vent your spleen man.

 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
And in the army they call him First Sergent. SPORTS: Slap the magazine, Pull the Forward Assist, Oberserve inside the chamber, Release the charging handle, Tap the forward assist, Squeeze the trigger. SPORTS.
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SPORTS is a thing of the past for the Marine Corps. It was deemed to not be practical in a real world situation. A simple clearing or "Tap, Rack, Bang" is the new more practical way to clear the weapon. Of course, keeping a clean weapon usually steers the Marine clear of having to clear his weapon.
 
I plan to rejoin the military. Right now, I have a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science, a good private sector job that pays halfway decently, but I simply cannot adapt to the private sector jobs because it's like people always lying to each other, stabbing each other in the back, preying on one another. Though we fight for stark, and at times, dark, political objectives, and their is politics in the military of course, in the military, in my unit we were tight and we had comradship. We did not prey on one another and we watched each other's backs. We trusted one another. When one of us got promoted, their wasn't envy or resentment like their is in the private sector when one gets promoted, their is celebration and congratulations. And you don't stab the back of your comrads if you value your life, because our lives where in the hands of each other. So, I think I will be happier back in the military, in a system that I well adapted to, rather than the fake world of the private sector or civilian world.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
I'm not the one who is playing psych games. Teacher man, go get laid, have a beer and try to enjoy life for a little. Not all veterans go back into the military to fight for God and Country ok? Some of us do it because it's the only thing we know and it's the only thing that we are happy doing. I remember, I had a Vietnam Veteran as a tank commander, very standoffish kind of guy, (btw, that would be 19 kilo in case you are wondering as far as the MOS classification). We would come accross blowed up villages. Muslim villagers telling all kinds of horror stories about their families being killed (and they were being truthful), mass graves (just like in Iraq) and of course I watched one of my 40 year old grown men of a Sergent cry like a baby, because the place wore on him after awhile. We began to learn that the US government basically lied and covered up alot of **** in Bosnia and acted as accomplices to genocide. When we began to see that, our Vietnam Vet tank commander began to speak more about his experiences in Vietnam, because he knew, we wouldn't be ready to hear the truth until we seen it ourselves in Bosnia and that is why he remained so silent for so long. He aslo talked about how the blowed up villages in Bosnia gave him flashbacks of blowed up villages, which were destroyed by our own soldiers in Vietnam. I do plan on going back into the military, but like the Vietnam Vet, I will not tell my honest political views to other soldiers who do not know better, I will be going in and I will follow orders to go to Iraq if necessary because as a soldier, my opinion doesn't matter. I won't be fighting for a flag or for King or God or country, I will be fighting to come home to my family, for my own self preservation and for the preservation of the guys in my unit. That's all that matters teach.
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Don't start this "timmyboy" weak garbage. Crying on the battle field, because of visual sight seeing only means that he should never have been in uniform in the first place.
 
GySgt said:
SPORTS is a thing of the past for the Marine Corps. It was deemed to not be practical in a real world situation. A simple clearing or "Tap, Rack, Bang" is the new more practical way to clear the weapon. Of course, keeping a clean weapon usually steers the Marine clear of having to clear his weapon.
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Yup, when I was in Bosnia, I did alot of low crawling for not keeping my M249 SAW spic and span clean. I had to clean that every single night and I had to keep my M-16 in tip top working condition. My Platoon Leader was very hard on me, because I was the SAW gunner and more lives depended on me, because I had the highest casualty producing weapon in my platoon. So, he always inspected my M249 with a white glove and if their was a speck, I was low crawling through the mud. He was an M249 SAW gunner when he was in Ranger Battalion as an enlisted man.
 
teacher said:
So Bosnia yes, Iraq no? Am I getting this right?
America didn't go to to war soon enough in Bosnia and then, what are you saying, we killed Muslims? I'm not sure at this point. Yet God forbid we go to Iraq and help the women, Shits, and Kurds. How dare we? You're all over the map here.
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Dont you remember the "How to hate Muslims" hand book they gave us in Jr high school or the "How to kill Muslims" in BC?
 
We couldn't afford to have my M249 jam up on us at a bad moment when we needed it the most.
 
GySgt said:
Don't start this "timmyboy" weak garbage. Crying on the battle field, because of visual sight seeing only means that he should never have been in uniform in the first place.
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I wasn't the one crying on the battlefield, their was an old 40 year old NCO that did and a two star general that puked at the smell of the mass graves though, which I thought rather interesting, because both of these individuals were the ones always talking big and bad and got into all the macho, "don't feel sorry for yourself" sort of thing that the officer and NCO leadership generally preaches. It seems that those who talk the biggest and baddest are the ones to break first interestingly enough.
 
teacher said:
You know bro, you just don't make consistant sense. You go on and on about how Clinton covered up for three years, (can't believe I'm sticking up for slick Willie), moan about how we never do anything for morality, when we went into Bosnia without a economic or strategic dog in that fight. So we went to war to fight genocide and instead ended up committing it? I would think Milosovic's forces have a different take on that. Quit making shi*t up to support your agenda.

What's TA-50? You so got SPORTS wrong. Anyone that has been through basic can do that in their sleep.
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TA-50, you talking about poogie bait right? The stuff to munch on in the field eh? I am not making **** up. All I do, is tell it like it really is. I think perfect, consistent sense, if you care to be open minded that is.
 
ManOfTrueTruth, You ever buy any bikini babes while in b/h?
 
cherokee said:
ManOfTrueTruth, You ever buy any bikini babes while in b/h?
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The younger women were pretty hot, did some R&R in Budipest, Hungary, I mean, Budapest heh heh. I think the women like in their 20's and early 30's in Budapest and most of Bosnia, were beautiful. Of course, they would use a GI in a minute to get out of their and to the states.
 
Russian mob was involved in kidnapping women, forcing them into prostitution in Budapest, I was told they were involved in Bosnia as well, though, not exactly sure what they did, nor did I care to know or find out. But Eastern Europe, when I was their, I saw some of the most beautiful women I had ever seen in my life.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
I wasn't the one crying on the battlefield, their was an old 40 year old NCO that did and a two star general that puked at the smell of the mass graves though, which I thought rather interesting, because both of these individuals were the ones always talking big and bad and got into all the macho, "don't feel sorry for yourself" sort of thing that the officer and NCO leadership generally preaches. It seems that those who talk the biggest and baddest are the ones to break first interestingly enough.
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I didn't say it was you.

Puking is one thing, crying is something else. These types are usually getting a shock to the system and have just been introduced to what the real world is like outside the U.S. We don't have a lot of cryers in the Marines. Not to bash Army brothers out there, but the Army as an institution does not do a good job of properly preparing their soldiers for their future experiences. This is why so many are wandering the streets of Iraq and are cluless into the civilization they are facing.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
TA-50, you talking about poogie bait right? The stuff to munch on in the field eh? I am not making **** up. All I do, is tell it like it really is. I think perfect, consistent sense, if you care to be open minded that is.
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No, I make perfect sense. You use what you know to bash. There are many truths and focusing on what will lend you a partisan bashing stage does not make for "perfect sense." One should study the subject that he has such opinions on.
 
ManOfTrueTruth said:
Russian mob was involved in kidnapping women, forcing them into prostitution in Budapest, I was told they were involved in Bosnia as well, though, not exactly sure what they did, nor did I care to know or find out. But Eastern Europe, when I was their, I saw some of the most beautiful women I had ever seen in my life.
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You ever try the "Lovely Ladies"?
 
cherokee said:
You ever try the "Lovely Ladies"?
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Yup. Place called Captain Jacks, he was quite the entrepreneur. He knew exactly what kind of women American men loved. Another place called the White House, very beautiful women, but us Americans didn't want anything to do with it because they weren't crazy, slutty women heh hhe. So we went to Captain Jacks, got a few whores who were crazy. They put on a show for us, like put a snake in our face during their dances.
 
teacher said:
Wrong again sport. Dude, I got out in 1987 and I still remember. TA-50. Your issued gear dumbazz. It's not looking good for you.
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In the Marine Corps it is "782" gear, referring to the official inventory document.
 
teacher said:
Wrong again sport. Dude, I got out in 1987 and I still remember. TA-50. Your issued gear dumbazz. It's not looking good for you.
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It's been 4 years for me teacher. Do you want me to fax you a copy of my DD-214 next?
 
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