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Are gay people born that way or is it a choice?

Are people born gay?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 70.6%
  • No

    Votes: 20 29.4%

  • Total voters
    68
Navy Pride said:
Take the time to go back and read this thread..I gave you my reason for being anti gay marriage and they are not for the reasons you mentioned.......


I've read the whole thread, and I've yet to see anything from you that wasn't "They make me feel icky," dressed up in a nice silk frock.


Ironic consider you are a navy man, you know what they say: 300 sailors put out to sea, 150 couples come back. :rofl
 
I think that they were both born gay, but the second did not realize it until he was 15 and found out he was not attracted to females.

OK i don't know what gives you the right to make such assumptions but i would say this;

Why can't you accept that someone might want to become gay after a heterosexual life?

I personally wasn't born straight or gay, both these terms are labels that ignorant people stick to people who are differant, it is such a shame that, in the 21st century there is still such fear of diversity.

Just because you can't understand someones choices doesn't make them any less important than you.

I have met various Gay people and personally have deeper respect for the Gay community, than the politically, or religiously brainwashed community, which seems to encompass half the population.

If you are not gay, then why the hell does homosexuality interest you so much?
 
You think that "born gay" is merely an "assumption"? No. It is science, and logic.

You say you were not born gay our straight? When did you decide to become gay/straight?


Duke
 
Duke said:
You think that "born gay" is merely an "assumption"? No. It is science, and logic.

You say you were not born gay our straight? When did you decide to become gay/straight?


Duke

It depends on the individual and the environment they live in.........
 
Got any good facts, or science, supporting that, or do you just say that because it goes well with your religion?


Duke
 
Duke said:
Got any good facts, or science, supporting that, or do you just say that because it goes well with your religion?


Duke

If that is for me it has nothing to do with my religion.........It is my educated opinion.....
 
But you do admit that your argument against freedom of marriage stems from your religion, right?


Duke
 
Duke said:
But you do admit that your argument against freedom of marriage stems from your religion, right?


Duke

Not at all, although I am a God fearing person it has very little to do with it....
 
Stace said:
1) Well, that's the opinion of the person you know. My husband and I are both liberals, and our marriage is quite "sacred" to us. Neither of us are religious, we weren't married in a church, and yet, our marriage is a lot more than just a legal contract to us.

Please don't make blanket statements when you can't really back it up with anything mroe than what one person you know said.

2) There are also lots of people that aren't atheists, but also aren't Christians. I'd guess that there is at least one study out there that accounts for the differences in numbers and adjusts accordingly.

3) Do you have any sources to back up your assertion? Because right now, that's just your opinion, and my opinion is vastly different. Every person I know that has been married, very few of those that were married in a religious/church ceremony are still together. Those of us that aren't religious and subsequently did not have a church ceremony, are all still together with no sign of divorce in the near future.


1) Here's a blanket statement I can qualify by using this post: Liberals can't read. I didn't say my opinion was BASED on that person. I said that their comment represented my experience with liberals on this.

Please don't make invalid criticisms based on nothing but emotional defensiveness. ;)

2) This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand. But as I pointed out before, the vast majority of people-including agnostics-beleive there is SOME kind of higher power, which would definitely put them more towards the Christian category than the Atheist category. And I think doing studies on Agnostics would be harder than people think because, unlike the other two, there is a huge variation from Agnostic to Agnostic about why they are Agnostic. It makes studies on them less reliable.

3) Everywhere I looked, there was a recurring theme: Christians are no more immune to divorce, but the vast majority of the ones who get divorced are also born again. Those who usually have great turbulence in their lives and flee to Christianity to fix their problems, only to leave the church shortly after that are who make up most of the religious divorces. Regular, real religious people seem to have nowhere near the problem with divorce that secular people have. This may explain our widely different experiences.

http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rreligion.html
http://www.divorcereform.org/cor.html#anchor613698

Something I did not expect to find that was shocking to me (which can be found by following that second link) was this:

Cohabitation Data:
There is a higher risk, 40 to 85%, of divorce between couples cohabiting before marriage than couples waiting until after marriage to share a home together. (Bumpass & Sweet 1995; Hall & Zhao 1995; Bracher, Stantow, Morgan & Russell 1993; DeMaris & Rao 1992 and Glen 1990) Cited in a posting on the Smart Marriages Listserv, Sep 28, 2004.
 
Duke said:
You think that "born gay" is merely an "assumption"? No. It is science, and logic.

You say you were not born gay our straight? When did you decide to become gay/straight?


Duke


I have already answered this multiple times. Check out my earlier posts.
 
aquapub said:
2) This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand. But as I pointed out before, the vast majority of people-including agnostics-beleive there is SOME kind of higher power, which would definitely put them more towards the Christian category than the Atheist category. And I think doing studies on Agnostics would be harder than people think because, unlike the other two, there is a huge variation from Agnostic to Agnostic about why they are Agnostic. It makes studies on them less reliable.

There are more than 1 billion Agnostics?
if memory serves, that is how many catholics there are
How many Hindus?
how many Muslims?
how many non-catholic christians?
seems like we are coming up on 6 billion pretty quick
 
Navy Pride said:
Not at all, although I am a God fearing person it has very little to do with it....


Yeah, sure.

Anyway, what is your argument based on? What makes you think that the government should be able to restrict the right/freedom to marry?


Duke
 
DeeJayH said:
There are more than 1 billion Agnostics?
if memory serves, that is how many catholics there are
How many Hindus?
how many Muslims?
how many non-catholic christians?
seems like we are coming up on 6 billion pretty quick

There are 1.1 billion non-religious people. Look it up.


Duke
 
she said
aquapbu said:
This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand.

he said

dookey said:
There are 1.1 billion non-religious people. Look it up.

agnostics are a subset of the Non-religious
just thought you might want to know;)
so Agnostics are Less than 1.1 billion
so they are no bigger than 3rd or 4th largest depending on how many of the -non-religious are agnostics
 
You want a better statistic? Go out and count. I would suspect that the non-religious stat is accurate, if not low.


Duke
 
DeeJayH said:
she said


he said



agnostics are a subset of the Non-religious
just thought you might want to know;)
so Agnostics are Less than 1.1 billion
so they are no bigger than 3rd or 4th largest depending on how many of the -non-religious are agnostics


Correct me if I am wrong, Aquapub I think that Aquapub meant non-religous by agnostic. I have heard that generalization often.


Duke
 
Duke said:
Correct me if I am wrong, Aquapub I think that Aquapub meant non-religous by agnostic. I have heard that generalization often.


Duke

i dont know the broad, but i have seen enough of her posts to give her more credit than you do
i think she knows the difference between agnostics, atheists, and non-religious
if not, thanks for wasting so much of my time aqua :lol: :2wave:
 
DeeJayH said:
i dont know the broad, but i have seen enough of her posts to give her more credit than you do
i think she knows the difference between agnostics, atheists, and non-religious
if not, thanks for wasting so much of my time aqua :lol: :2wave:

Last time I checked, aquapub's profile said male, not female.
 
aquapub said:
1) Here's a blanket statement I can qualify by using this post: Liberals can't read. I didn't say my opinion was BASED on that person. I said that their comment represented my experience with liberals on this.

Looks like you're the one that can't read. I didn't say your OPINION was based on what that person said....I said don't make blanket statements based upon what one person has said.

Please don't make invalid criticisms based on nothing but emotional defensiveness. ;)

Uh, sorry, if you somehow read some "emotional defensiveness" in there, I'd love to know where, because, well, you know, I'm the one that wrote the post, and I wasn't being emotional OR defensive. I was merely making a statement, refuting your own statement.

2) This is absolutely true. I was wondering when someone would point this out. They are called Agnostics, and they outnumber everyone from what I understand. But as I pointed out before, the vast majority of people-including agnostics-beleive there is SOME kind of higher power, which would definitely put them more towards the Christian category than the Atheist category. And I think doing studies on Agnostics would be harder than people think because, unlike the other two, there is a huge variation from Agnostic to Agnostic about why they are Agnostic. It makes studies on them less reliable.

No, they're not just called agnostics. There are also Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, Mormons.....the list goes on and on. I said people that aren't atheist and that aren't Christian.....there are many more groups than just agnostics that don't fall into those two categories.

And don't assume that being agnostic puts someone closer to Christianity. I'm agnostic, and I don't believe in the Christian God or Jesus.

We're not debating why someone is agnostic. This whole thing stems from marriage and divorce rates, and someone pointing out that Christians have higher divorce rates.

3) Everywhere I looked, there was a recurring theme: Christians are no more immune to divorce, but the vast majority of the ones who get divorced are also born again. Those who usually have great turbulence in their lives and flee to Christianity to fix their problems, only to leave the church shortly after that are who make up most of the religious divorces. Regular, real religious people seem to have nowhere near the problem with divorce that secular people have. This may explain our widely different experiences.

http://www.divorcereform.org/mel/rreligion.html
http://www.divorcereform.org/cor.html#anchor613698

Something I did not expect to find that was shocking to me (which can be found by following that second link) was this:

Cohabitation Data:
There is a higher risk, 40 to 85%, of divorce between couples cohabiting before marriage than couples waiting until after marriage to share a home together. (Bumpass & Sweet 1995; Hall & Zhao 1995; Bracher, Stantow, Morgan & Russell 1993; DeMaris & Rao 1992 and Glen 1990) Cited in a posting on the Smart Marriages Listserv, Sep 28, 2004.

Hmmm....funny. I'm all about being secular, and yet, I have one of the strongest marriages out of anyone I know.

You didn't know that stuff about cohabitation? They've been doing studies on that for years. Heck, Cosmopolitan does a story on it every few months.....
 
Oh, okay. Because I know quite a few people who address all non-religious people as atheists or agnostics.


Duke
 
Sex is natural, it is a need all people share.

It does not matter what or who you do it with, as long as it feels right.

Stop the gay bashing and get laid yourselves.

You might like a bit of bum fun.
 
Mickyjaystoned said:
Sex is natural, it is a need all people share.

It does not matter what or who you do it with, as long as it feels right.

Stop the gay bashing and get laid yourselves.

You might like a bit of bum fun.

Yeah, lets all have sex...........Animals, kids, its natural, disgusting liberal mantra if it feels good do it........:roll:
 
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