World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister - Page 11

TimmyBoy · 11-15-05, 07:37 PM

I personally believe that a space based missle defense system will keep China from attacking Taiwan, help to keep the peace and to buy enough time for China to eventually reform into a democratic government. One of the lessons the Chinese have learned from the Cold War came from the collapse of the Soviet Union. They recognized that the Soviet socialist economy could not outspend the US in an arms race and so China is now seeking to adopt a free market system while preventing a democratic government from taking hold in order to have an efficient economy to produce the wealth necessary to have a hope of competing with the US in an arms race. However, I believe a balanced US policy can turn the tables on the communist dictatorship in China and help to bring about a democratic government.

GySgt · 11-15-05, 07:50 PM

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I would personally have to disagree. The Chinese threat is very real and I think it is a good possbility that they will attack Taiwan unless we build defenses and research technology that would detur such an attack. I think the Chinese are willing to risk war, so long as they think they can make the costs for the US too great. They are covering up their true defense spending figuires and this dramatically increased defense spending is aimed at only two countries:

1. Taiwan
2. United States

You could very well be right, but there economy would not support any kind of a grand showing. China is a mystery. They are not known for putting their business in the publics eye - except when they need our aid for their sick. I don't think China wants to try anything against us. Our threats are not from other large nations of power. It's with the little guys.

America and China and Russia are like three bullies in school. They don't fight each other, they just avoid each other and pick on the little guys and wage war on their soil.

TimmyBoy · 11-15-05, 08:10 PM

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You could very well be right, but there economy would not support any kind of a grand showing. China is a mystery. They are not known for putting their business in the publics eye - except when they need our aid for their sick. I don't think China wants to try anything against us. Our threats are not from other large nations of power. It's with the little guys.

America and China and Russia are like three bullies in school. They don't fight each other, they just avoid each other and pick on the little guys and wage war on their soil.

Big bullies have fought one another before in World War I and it can happen again today. I think you are under-estimating the chinese. Shortly after Krushchev backed down during the Cuban Missle Crisis the chinese called him a "coward." Hypothetically speaking, if it was China we were dealing with in the Cuban Missle Crisis and China had the same nuclear capabilities as the Soviet Union at that time, I believe we would have seen a nuclear war. I think the chinese are making plans to fight the US and we must make our own plans with emphasis in bringing democratic reform to China, avoiding and deturing conflict while on the same token not appeasing. This is a dictatorship which is a threat to democratic Taiwan and I think it is a good possibility that they could be a threat to other Asian neighbors. They could have designs on the rest of Asia after a hypothetical conquest of Taiwan, but that is mere speculation on my part. Dictatorships like China tend to be threatening towards their neighbors, especially democratic neighbors. What I do know for sure is that China is a real threat towards Taiwan and their military build up is aimed at both the US and Taiwan.

GySgt · 11-15-05, 08:19 PM

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Big bullies have fought one another before in World War I and it can happen again today. I think you are under-estimating the chinese. Shortly after Krushchev backed down during the Cuban Missle Crisis the chinese called him a "coward." Hypothetically speaking, if it was China we were dealing with in the Cuban Missle Crisis and China had the same nuclear capabilities as the Soviet Union at that time, I believe we would have seen a nuclear war. I think the chinese are making plans to fight the US and we must make our own plans with emphasis in bringing democratic reform to China, avoiding and deturing conflict while on the same token not appeasing. This is a dictatorship which is a threat to democratic Taiwan and I think it is a good possibility that they could be a threat to other Asian neighbors. They could have designs on the rest of Asia after a hypothetical conquest of Taiwan, but that is mere speculation on my part. Dictatorships like China tend to be threatening towards their neighbors, especially democratic neighbors. What I do know for sure is that China is a real threat towards Taiwan and their military build up is aimed at both the US and Taiwan.

Not exactly true to what I said. Sure large nations have fought against one another. But how many have attacked the other and initiated a war? Germany, during both wars, attacked the nations around them and spread. One could make the argument for Japan and Pearl Harbor, but this would be an exception to the historical rule. I'm sure there are others.

As for the rest of what you said....no argument. I think your "speculation" is sound. China would not stop after Taiwan. The ease of conquest, once started, is not easily stopped without foreign intervention. History has also taught us that. This is how two large nations would fight each other, but China will not attack us directly. They would do it through Taiwan if they did.

Kelzie · 11-15-05, 08:32 PM

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Big bullies have fought one another before in World War I and it can happen again today. I think you are under-estimating the chinese. Shortly after Krushchev backed down during the Cuban Missle Crisis the chinese called him a "coward." Hypothetically speaking, if it was China we were dealing with in the Cuban Missle Crisis and China had the same nuclear capabilities as the Soviet Union at that time, I believe we would have seen a nuclear war. I think the chinese are making plans to fight the US and we must make our own plans with emphasis in bringing democratic reform to China, avoiding and deturing conflict while on the same token not appeasing. This is a dictatorship which is a threat to democratic Taiwan and I think it is a good possibility that they could be a threat to other Asian neighbors. They could have designs on the rest of Asia after a hypothetical conquest of Taiwan, but that is mere speculation on my part. Dictatorships like China tend to be threatening towards their neighbors, especially democratic neighbors. What I do know for sure is that China is a real threat towards Taiwan and their military build up is aimed at both the US and Taiwan.

Although, to be fair, after the Cold War, China had almost no trade ties with the US or the Western World. That certainly can't be said now. I think the best way to bring democracy to China is the way we're doing it now: through their piggy bank. It not only ensures a growth of democracy but a nation will almost never attack a major trade partner.

GySgt · 11-15-05, 08:35 PM

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Although, to be fair, after the Cold War, China had almost no trade ties with the US or the Western World. That certainly can't be said now. I think the best way to bring democracy to China is the way we're doing it now: through their piggy bank. It not only ensures a growth of democracy but a nation will almost never attack a major trade partner.

True. Look at Saudi.

Kelzie · 11-15-05, 08:37 PM

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True. Look at Saudi.

And Russia.

GySgt · 11-15-05, 08:42 PM

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And Russia.

And Sweden. That's right. They don't fool me. They've been secretly and publicly infiltrating our society with Swiss Army knives and Swiss watches for decades sending American knife and watch businesses into bankruptcy. Sneaky bastards.

Kelzie · 11-15-05, 08:45 PM

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And Sweden. That's right. They don't fool me. They've been secretly and publicly infiltrating our society with Swiss Army knives and Swiss watches for decades sending American knife and watch businesses into bankruptcy. Sneaky bastards.

Actually I've heard the sale of "pocket knives" (note the PC term) has gone down dramatically cause of tightened airport security. I know I lost my favorite wine key. Bastards.

GySgt · 11-15-05, 08:51 PM

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Actually I've heard the sale of "pocket knives" (note the PC term) has gone down dramatically cause of tightened airport security. I know I lost my favorite wine key. Bastards.

The price of security. My mom flew across country and had to give up her favority pair of little knitting scissors. Crazy world.

On the way back from Iraq, one of our Recon guys had a small knife that is known as a sense of pride for Recon graduates. The airport security wouldn't let him on the plane with it (military chartered plane full of weapons mind you). There was almost a riot between Marines and airport security. Finally, his commander got a manager to agree to personally send it through the mail to our unit. It made it a week later.