To the French: Lafayette we are here, where are you?

Trajan Octavian Titus · 10-16-05, 09:51 AM

To the French: Lafayette we are here, where are you? Have our bonds forged through mutual revolution been severed? Are we not still allies? Lafayette, my sword and my honor are still at your side but where are your people, have they forgotten? Have we?

Diogenes · 10-16-05, 12:59 PM

It was the French monarchy that came to our aid during the Revolutionary War. Ever since the French Revolution, our relationship with France has been rocky at best: Our Oldest Enemy : A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France. The French are not our friends, and as allies they are there whenever they need us.

MiamiFlorida · 10-16-05, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes

It was the French monarchy that came to our aid during the Revolutionary War. Ever since the French Revolution, our relationship with France has been rocky at best: Our Oldest Enemy : A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France. The French are not our friends, and as allies they are there whenever they need us.

I second that.

V.I. Lenin · 10-25-05, 09:57 PM

Diogenes took the words out of my mouth. I dont know what those on the right expect from France. A trench buddy? Brothers in arms? No. They have their own government, and can complain and whine about all they want. They haven't attacked us. They won't. They oppose American imperialism. Does it exist? Thats another debate. But please, the "War on Terrorism" isn't a World War.

Napoleon's Nightingale · 10-26-05, 04:27 AM

Hogwash. A long list of French aristocrats contributed themselves and their resources to the American Revolution 8 years before support for the revolution was made official policy. Some even defied direct orders from Louis to aid and take part in the revolution. Regardless of your current bias against France none of you can avoid saying that the French were absolutley essential to victory in the Revolution when faced with the facts. Without the French we would have lost. The bias stretches back to the Continental Congress which shafted most of those individuals by not honoring it's agreements and contracts with them.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 10-26-05, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon's Nightingale

Hogwash. A long list of French aristocrats contributed themselves and their resources to the American Revolution 8 years before support for the revolution was made official policy. Some even defied direct orders from Louis to aid and take part in the revolution. Regardless of your current bias against France none of you can avoid saying that the French were absolutley essential to victory in the Revolution when faced with the facts. Without the French we would have lost. The bias stretches back to the Continental Congress which shafted most of those individuals by not honoring it's agreements and contracts with them.

I never said anything to the contrary, the French contributed greatly to our revolution, thus the battle cry of the American G.I. during WW1: "Lafayette we are here." I think you missed my whole point.

Napoleon's Nightingale · 10-26-05, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

I never said anything to the contrary, the French contributed greatly to our revolution, thus the battle cry of the American G.I. during WW1: "Lafayette we are here." I think you missed my whole point.

I was not reffering to you. Sorry, should have made that clear.

Diogenes · 10-26-05, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon's Nightingale

Hogwash. A long list of French aristocrats contributed themselves and their resources to the American Revolution 8 years before support for the revolution was made official policy. Some even defied direct orders from Louis to aid and take part in the revolution. Regardless of your current bias against France none of you can avoid saying that the French were absolutley essential to victory in the Revolution when faced with the facts. Without the French we would have lost. The bias stretches back to the Continental Congress which shafted most of those individuals by not honoring it's agreements and contracts with them.

Thank you for emphasizing my point that it was the French monarchy and the French aristocrats who supported the US revolution. The French republic has never been our friend.

Deegan · 10-26-05, 03:54 PM

Napoleon's Nightingale · 10-26-05, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes

Thank you for emphasizing my point that it was the French monarchy and the French aristocrats who supported the US revolution. The French republic has never been our friend.

The French Republic has always been our friend however there were some individuals in the French Republic who were somewhat hostile towards America for the following primary reasons:
1. The American Revolution bankrupted France.
2. The Continental Congress refused to honor it's agreements and contracts with
the French state and with those individuals.
You ignore the fact that MANY French aristocrats were part of the French Republic and played major roles.