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View Poll Results: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?
Yes to Hamas 2 4.55%
Yes to Hezbollah 2 4.55%
Yes to both 6 13.64%
No to Hamas 5 11.36%
No to Hezbollah 3 6.82%
No to both 32 72.73%
other (please specify) 5 11.36%
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Old 12-03-08, 07:01 PM   #21
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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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Really? Where did I say that? Or are you making ASSumptions?
Would or would not your plan put the Palestinians in the majority?

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Also, Hamas was elected on an anti-corruption platform and not an anti-Israel one.

Gee and here I thought that a parties charter was their platform.
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Old 12-03-08, 11:15 PM   #22
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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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Would or would not your plan put the Palestinians in the majority?
I would put the working class of Israel-Palestine in the majority.

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Gee and here I thought that a parties charter was their platform.
"Nothing was left but the good old democracy pretense, which worked well until Palestinians cast their vote on that critical day in late January. The majority voted for Hamas, not because of its Islamic agenda, but because of its uncompromising anti-corruption platform, its stance on Palestinian rights, and the Israeli occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza."
Hamas Victory Has Changed Everything - by Ramzy Baroud

Shall we proceed to step two of your argument where you claim that my source is invalid and call all Palestinians radical terrorists?
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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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Really? Where did I say that? Or are you making ASSumptions?

Also, Hamas was elected on an anti-corruption platform and not an anti-Israel one.
Irrelevant as to what they were elected as. More relevant as to what their charter says.
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Old 12-04-08, 12:40 AM   #24
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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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I would put the working class of Israel-Palestine in the majority.

nice dodge

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"Nothing was left but the good old democracy pretense, which worked well until Palestinians cast their vote on that critical day in late January. The majority voted for Hamas, not because of its Islamic agenda, but because of its uncompromising anti-corruption platform, its stance on Palestinian rights, and the Israeli occupation of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza."
Hamas Victory Has Changed Everything - by Ramzy Baroud

Shall we proceed to step two of your argument where you claim that my source is invalid and call all Palestinians radical terrorists?
Hay guess what pal? It was a multi-party election, just because the Democrat and Republican parties might be corrupt doesn't mean I go out and vote for the National Socialist party.
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Old 12-04-08, 12:44 AM   #25
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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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nice dodge
It wasn't a dodge. You can't paint "the Palestinians" and "the Israelis" as homogeneous groups, as you are trying to do.
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Old 12-04-08, 12:50 AM   #26
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It wasn't a dodge. You can't paint "the Palestinians" and "the Israelis" as homogeneous groups, as you are trying to do.
But you can paing the Palestinian and Israeli working class into a homogeneous group and completely ignore their drastic differences in culture and opinions just because they are members of the same class? Ya that'll work out well, hopefully the Palestinians won't support the eradication of the Jews that they voted for in the name of class warfare.
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Do we discuss the goals of providing education, healthcare, food, and housing when we discuss the goals of the Nazi party? These goals which are only used to gain the favor of the masses are trumped by their goals of mass murder and the destruction of a liberal democracy.
Perhaps you spent too much time during English asleep. Your thread is titled "Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?" According to a proper usage of the English Language, those goals would also include the ones I stated as you failed to restrict the discussion of goals in any meaningful way. Now, if you had wished to only discuss the goals you disagreed with, perhaps you should have specified them when you made your thread. That way, those of us who use the English Language properly would know what you are talking about. And to answer your question, a full discussion of the goals of the Nazi party from a historical viewpoint would discuss the goals of providing education, healthcare, food, and housing, especially after the outright criminal failures of the Wiemar Republic. No one would argue that such goals make up for their later crimes against Humanity, but those were their early goals. Hitler was praised by US newspapers during the 30s for putting food on the table and people back into the factories. People tend to forget this.

In the future, if you wish to restrict discussion to specific subjects, do so in the beginning, not when someone points out a flaw in your argument and you get all fussy about it.

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I guess providing for healthcare trumps their wish to slaughter the Jews or at the very least minimizes it. Are you freaking serious?
Your guesses are about as good as your use of the English Language: Aka, extremely poor.
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Perhaps you spent too much time during English asleep. Your thread is titled "Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?" According to a proper usage of the English Language, those goals would also include the ones I stated as you failed to restrict the discussion of goals in any meaningful way. Now, if you had wished to only discuss the goals you disagreed with, perhaps you should have specified them when you made your thread. That way, those of us who use the English Language properly would know what you are talking about. And to answer your question, a full discussion of the goals of the Nazi party from a historical viewpoint would discuss the goals of providing education, healthcare, food, and housing, especially after the outright criminal failures of the Wiemar Republic. No one would argue that such goals make up for their later crimes against Humanity, but those were their early goals. Hitler was praised by US newspapers during the 30s for putting food on the table and people back into the factories. People tend to forget this.

In the future, if you wish to restrict discussion to specific subjects, do so in the beginning, not when someone points out a flaw in your argument and you get all fussy about it.



Your guesses are about as good as your use of the English Language: Aka, extremely poor.
Fine then, do you support their goals as outlined by the the Hamas charter and the Hezbollah manifesto?

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Re: Do you support the goals of Hamas and Hezbollah?

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In the Mideast forum I see a lot of people attacking Israel, many don't come out and say that they support Hamas and Hezbollah, however, some do and I want to get a feel for how many people actually support the agendas of these two organizations.
Infact I do attack Israel , in the same time I dont support the agressive actings of Hezbullah and Hamas although the Israelian army uses all the Torture methods with the palestinians .
Exceptions goes to civilians ofcourse .
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Some of Hamas's goals are disgusting such as the murder of all jews. Some of them are not like providing basic healthcare. Generalizations help no one.
So, you'd also agree that the Nazis were not all bad -- right?
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