Originally Posted by Hatuey

How much did the Bush cuts help us? All I've seen is more debt since he took office.

Originally Posted by UtahBill

Productive? Tell us what the financial whiz kids on wall st. produced?
If you want to talk down redistribution of wealth, bear in mind that it is already in place. The wealthy on wall st. take OUR money, manage it poorly, and distribute millions to themselves.
I have no issues with those who make big money by inventing/discovering a useful product, but these guys have invented only one thing, the wall st. scam.
The middle class would serve itself well to get out of non-mortgage debt first, then paying down their mortgage until they are in a financial position that protects them from downturns. The middle class should QUIT investing in wall st. where their investment funds are used by the already rich to further enrich themselves...
Is my suggestion good for the nations economy? NO, but it tells wall st. that the public is in charge of their own money, and the suits on wall st. and madison ave. can just become hot dog vendors...
We need a new economy, one that begins at home, and wall st. can just find a way to adapt to that, but be careful even then. Their major talent consists
of finding ways to seperate the middle class from its money...
BTW, the domestic supervisor and I are in the top 20%, and we are retired...

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

1) picking a very small segment of the rich to justify confiscatory tax policies is as silly as libs using Paris Hilton as the representative of everyone who faces the death tax

2) producing-paying net taxes.

Originally Posted by UtahBill

Productive? Tell us what the financial whiz kids on wall st. produced?
If you want to talk down redistribution of wealth, bear in mind that it is already in place. The wealthy on wall st. take OUR money, manage it poorly, and distribute millions to themselves.

Originally Posted by Goobieman

How, exactly, is that?

Originally Posted by UtahBill

very conservative now equals greedy in the GOP, that is how...
perhaps you can tell me how they EARNED it?

Originally Posted by UtahBill

We are producers, but we are not greedy producers. IMO, the small segment you say I am "picking" needs to pay more.
They did not produce, they didn't even earn, they STOLE.....
and they will continue to steal until the tax rates are changed to make it punitive to steal.

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

"Stole" That sounds like marxist nonsense to me. tell me where in the Obama tax hike scheme are those people who merely invested money for years and now have an income above 200K (individual) "stealing" from anyone? How about someone who makes partner in some good sized law firm or medical practice (figure 400-900K a year) stealing?

Originally Posted by UtahBill

how phony of you to add doctors and lawyers to the argument...
I am talking about the brokerages, the financiers, the insurance companies, and that should be obvious to even you....

Doctors, and to a lesser extent Lawyers, CONTRIBUTE to society. You can wait all year for me to explain how the money men on wall st. are stealing, as no matter what is said, you will answer with a stupid comment or question diverting from the issue.
I quit a broker 20 years ago when I found out that the prick made over $100K per year yet consistently gave me bad advice, and it wasn't even HIS advice. He was a talking head, a parrot, repeating what his bosses told him to say. A good percentage of the time, he wasn't even available, he was off playing racqetball or tennis. The industry is full of such parasites.
Why should the rest of us support people like him?

Originally Posted by TurtleDude

Ah so you have a hard on because of a personal experience. My Brother is a CFA. He makes alot of money as a principal in a major investment house. He makes me alot of money as well. I happily pay his fees for his services. I tend to trust the market to set value rather than some bitter person whose knowledge of the subject appears to be rather lacking.