I fail to see what was twisted? Unless of course you are meaning to say that you did not actually mean the what COULD be considered hateful comments and were making light of the situation? In that case I would retract what I said about YOU personally based on that given statement. But then again, this is the internet. Maybe a tag or emoticon on the intended joke would help your case alot more.
What makes you think oppression in any form is okay? Is it not "despicable" to deny a gay family the same benefits as a straight family? Is it not "despicable" to judge a family based on the parents sexual orientation? I don't see it as any different than judging someone based on their skin color, religious preference, or gender.
You can not force change? Well I suppose people should just go with the flow and see what happens then? No. I believe that is wrong. Nobody should be forced to watch from the sidelines and hope that people will play fair eventually.
That "brat" comment about not getting the change that was expected... hmmmmmmm. I hope you see why I find that comment ridiculous. In case you don't, how would you feel if your marriage was discredited because of ANY difference you've got from the "majority"? I would bet just about anything that you would be pretty pissed.
I wouldnt paint you as some kind of monster, I will however vehemently disagree with your point of view. That would be the point of debate.
Lastly, it goes both ways for sure. I fail to see the relevance though. Are you saying that because each side fought for what it believes in that neither side should feel wronged? Please explain.
You've always got an opportunity to further explain your position when you feel that someone did not comprehend what you were trying to put forth.
You may be totally missing my point, and if that is any fault of mine then accept my apologies etc. ,but if your debating or condemning my comparison of losing a battle over the "title" of marriage (not the benefits, but the name etc) and all the whining and noise we have seen since to that of a "brat" who did not get his way and took his bat and ball and went home well that's another story altogether.
What makes you think oppression in any form is okay? Is it not "despicable" to deny a gay family the same benefits as a straight family? Is it not "despicable" to judge a family based on the parents sexual orientation? I don't see it as any different than judging someone based on their skin color, religious preference, or gender.
I quoted this separate because I think this is an example of some of the confusion on this subject.
Remember like so many have stated previous that there is a large difference between the oppression and racism seen in the past that was due to someones race, color, national origin etc and that what still remains in reference to homosexuals today.
You just can not compare these as there are way more differences than similarities.
While you do choose religion (or not) you certainly do not choose your parents, skin color, race, or where you are born. Still even though there is much debate on what drives or causes and even when a persons sexual orientation is decided etc this issue of sexual preference knows no racial or nationality boundaries as it is something totally different.
There are people out there (some professionals) who believe pedophilia is a condition people are be born with, and like it or not there are people out there who will compare homosexuality with this. While I do not share these views I do understand that some have made a very similar argument as you have here. Though I am sure most intelligent people will rationalize the difference etc there are still people sitting in special prisons right now as I type this who feel they are being incarcerated unfairly etc. due to something they are born with that the public does not agree with. (I have a good friend who was a CO in one of these facilities and those beliefs were not uncommon)
You can not force change? Well I suppose people should just go with the flow and see what happens then? No. I believe that is wrong. Nobody should be forced to watch from the sidelines and hope that people will play fair eventually.
We can look at all kinds of ways to defend our thoughts on either side of this (I sometimes even do this in my mind as I am not for or against everything being debated on this subject) but the conclusions each of us realize do not in any way effect the fact that not every American is ready for this change (hence my explanation of timing and change).
I did not say anyone should be stifled or not enjoy their freedom of speech, but rather that trying to force something upon others who are not in favor of it should not have been expected to happen easily, and that similar efforts at a different time would produce different results.
And yes you really can not force change. Sure you can affect it etc but your not going to force it. I have known people who have a problem using a different route to get to work when there is construction etc, and even a little change like that stressed them out.
If you can not understand the issue of timing, and how society is ever changing and relate it to this then your not being completely honest with yourself.
Lastly, it goes both ways for sure. I fail to see the relevance though. Are you saying that because each side fought for what it believes in that neither side should feel wronged? Please explain.
You've always got an opportunity to further explain your position when you feel that someone did not comprehend what you were trying to put forth.
Wish I had time to fully convey all my thoughts, but try to do the best I can with the time available.
I thought the comment was pretty obvious, but anything worth having IS worth fighting for, but you have to be able to accept that you do not win every battle, and the bigger things tend to require a larger and longer effort.
Big changes do not happen over night, and I know the whole idea of acceptance and full equality have not been easy for any group and all you need to do is look at how long it took others etc.
I may be guilty of one thing though, and that is seeing the positive. If you consider how things have improved for most any minority group compared to 50, 100, or more years ago it is obvious that things have changed considerably, and the change in our country has been to the positive.
