Obama/Franken voter fraud recount

TheNextEra · 11-23-08, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

What civilians do is their own business; I am strictly talking about the politicians. I would never personally argue that civilians are unpatriotic when speaking their views and exercising their free speech, but when the politicians do it, it is despicable beyond the pale; my opinion of course.

Do you see the difference?

Actually no you weren't talking about politicians, your EXACT quote on it was this:

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Republicans tend to be more focused on defending the nation and would have supported Gore 100% even if he had decided to go into Iraq as Bush did.

Notice the bold? Last I checked Republicans did not refer to just politicians. Seems you got caught again lying again and now are backpedaling.

Fact is the quotes I showed DID include Republicans that were questioning the war AFTER it started, I even included the quotes of two senators in there.

Carry on spinning and lying

CaptainCourtesy · 11-23-08, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

There's a HUGE difference between the above example and what we are talking about Captain; we're talking about politicians.

The facts in the Dixie Chicks case are the following from your source:

Country stations across the United States have pulled the Chicks from playlists following reports that lead singer Natalie Maines said in a concert in London earlier this week that she was "ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas."

Station managers said their decisions were prompted by calls from irate listeners who thought criticism of the president was unpatriotic.

These were private stations choosing to do this based on their listener’s perceptions; not politicians or the Republican Party making the case.

I am talking about POLITICIANS who voted FOR the war, then for political gain went on a campaign of ignorance against the Commander and Chief and the troops mission; John Kerry would be exhibit number one.

If Bush had had the support necessary from Democrats as Lieberman had done, one of the FEW honest Democrats in my opinion, support and perceptions for this effort would be entirely different.

It is okay to debate the merits of the Iraq War and argue that it is a BAD idea BEFORE the vote, but after a majority have voted to authorize war and there are boots one the ground and in harms way, those politicians either need to support the effort 100%, or just STFU.

What civilians do is their own business; I am strictly talking about the politicians. I would never personally argue that civilians are unpatriotic when speaking their views and exercising their free speech, but when the politicians do it, it is despicable beyond the pale; my opinion of course.

Do you see the difference?

Yup, thanks for clarifying.

In my recollection, politicians, too, attacked those that opposed the war, but you are correct; different than what we are discussing, here. I would suspect that some politicians that did as you say, probably changed their mind based on how the war was being conducted. This is reasonable, however, to avoid the appearance of hypocrisy, this fact needed to be presented. Also, doing so for political gain is just scummy, no matter who does it.

CaptainCourtesy · 11-23-08, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNextEra

Actually no you weren't talking about politicians, your EXACT quote on it was this:

Notice the bold? Last I checked Republicans did not refer to just politicians. Seems you got caught again lying again and now are backpedaling.

Fact is the quotes I showed DID include Republicans that were questioning the war AFTER it started, I even included the quotes of two senators in there.

Carry on spinning and lying

I don't think TD was lying, here. I think he was implying politicians in his statement.

Truth Detector · 11-23-08, 05:35 PM

Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
What civilians do is their own business; I am strictly talking about the politicians. I would never personally argue that civilians are unpatriotic when speaking their views and exercising their free speech, but when the politicians do it, it is despicable beyond the pale; my opinion of course.

Do you see the difference?

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Originally Posted by TheNextEra

Actually no you weren't talking about politicians, your EXACT quote on it was this:

Quote:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Republicans tend to be more focused on defending the nation and would have supported Gore 100% even if he had decided to go into Iraq as Bush did.

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Originally Posted by TheNextEra

Notice the bold? Last I checked Republicans did not refer to just politicians. Seems you got caught again lying again and now are backpedaling.

Fact is the quotes I showed DID include Republicans that were questioning the war AFTER it started, I even included the quotes of two senators in there.

Carry on spinning and lying

Well thank you for attempting to DIVINE what I was thinking when I posted this; but YES, I was strictly thinking and talking about POLITICIANS and questioned you even quoting Sean Hannity.

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

Quoting Governors or Sean Hannity hardly lends any credibility to a weak attempt to suggest that Republicans did not support the troops when Bill Clinton made the decision to involve the US in Bosnia.

Once again your desperate selective filtering of what you read is evident and illustrative of your ad hominems.

Carry on.

Chanda · 11-23-08, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

"harms way" was in DC. they followed a contingency plan.

When "America is being attacked," it is a fair assumption that the president is a potential target. After his classroom photo-op, Bush gave a speech at Booker Elementary at the same time and place it was previously planned, so it was public knowledge. How did the SS know terrorists weren't planning to fly a plane into the school, or a suicide bombing? During the "attack on America," Bush was potentially in harm's way the entire time his whereabouts were public knowledge.

danarhea · 11-23-08, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Truth Detector

No Dan, that is just pure unadulterated BS and you know it.

And WTF is Desert Fox???

You have no facts to support such BS statements, but do share you sources and I will be happy to either confirm or dispute them.

Carry on; you truly need to get your facts and issues straight, your facts and perceptions are way out of whack.

Here is a link on Desert Fox. I strongly suggest that you read it and learn something. Before you attack someone as ignorant, you should already know WTF it is that you are talking about. The ignorance is now in your court.

Carry on.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 11-24-08, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

It isn't a matter of amateur vs. professional. It's a matter of common sense vs. bizarre. But you didn't answer the question: How did the SS know Bush was in no danger?

Let me give you an idea......

you are in your home and a massive thunderstorm pops up. lightning everywhere, every few seconds.

3 houses within a mile of you have been hit and are on fire.

you hear about this on the news,

do you run screaming from your house into the lightning storm?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 11-24-08, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

When "America is being attacked," it is a fair assumption that the president is a potential target. After his classroom photo-op, Bush gave a speech at Booker Elementary at the same time and place it was previously planned, so it was public knowledge. How did the SS know terrorists weren't planning to fly a plane into the school, or a suicide bombing? During the "attack on America," Bush was potentially in harm's way the entire time his whereabouts were public knowledge.

7 minutes is a fast response time.

how quickly could you get yourself and an entourage into a car and off premise?

where was the car? was the plane ready?

you are basing your position on such igorance it's laughable. almost as idiotic as the whole palin's daughter crap you spewed.

American · 11-24-08, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

When "America is being attacked," it is a fair assumption that the president is a potential target. After his classroom photo-op, Bush gave a speech at Booker Elementary at the same time and place it was previously planned, so it was public knowledge. How did the SS know terrorists weren't planning to fly a plane into the school, or a suicide bombing? During the "attack on America," Bush was potentially in harm's way the entire time his whereabouts were public knowledge.

Seems to me the Secret Service has done a pretty good job over the years, why don't you let them decide how they should respond to events?

Chanda · 11-24-08, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellb0und

7 minutes is a fast response time.

Yes, 7 minutes is a fast response time, but Bush remained at Booker School nearly a half hour after learning that America was under attack.

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you are basing your position on such igorance it's laughable. almost as idiotic as the whole palin's daughter crap you spewed.

I don't remember ever spewing anything about Palin's daughter. I did argue that Palin's story was unbelieveable. The idea that any woman in her 5th pregnancy, and having prematurely ruptured membranes would wait 10 hours to give a speech, then board a plane to travel 12 hours is insane. No reasonable person would risk giving birth to a special needs baby on a plane, no doctor would approve it, and no thinking person would believe it happened.

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