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What a difference 2 years makes

2 years ago Survey USA did the very first poll on a McCain-Obama matchup. Here is what it looked like:



If the election were held that day, Obama would have carried his home state of Illinois, Hawaii, and the District of Columbia, while McCain would have carried everything else.

This map speaks volumes to:

1) The fact that Obama was able to organize one hell of a ground game, beat his primary opponents handily, and then put the Republican nominee on the defensive. Win or lose, Obama has shown a lot of skill. Ironically, McCain and Palin rapped his experience as a community organizer, while it is exactly that very skill that put Obama where he is today, and most probably in the White House in January.

2) The fact that McCain could have been so inept, in spite of the fact that Democrats are notorious for pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. His bloopers, bad pick for VP, and his vicious negative campaign against Obama have all come back to bite him right in the ass. What happened to the McCain of 2 years ago? If he still existed, he would be beaten Obama in a landslide.

3) The fact that the era of Rovian politics has finally ended. Those who dare to repeat Rove's tactics in the future have not learned from history, and history was certainly made today.
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

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2 years ago Survey USA did the very first poll on a McCain-Obama matchup. Here is what it looked like:



If the election were held that day, Obama would have carried his home state of Illinois, Hawaii, and the District of Columbia, while McCain would have carried everything else.

This map speaks volumes to:

1) The fact that Obama was able to organize one hell of a ground game, beat his primary opponents handily, and then put the Republican nominee on the defensive. Win or lose, Obama has shown a lot of skill. Ironically, McCain and Palin rapped his experience as a community organizer, while it is exactly that very skill that put Obama where he is today, and most probably in the White House in January.

2) The fact that McCain could have been so inept, in spite of the fact that Democrats are notorious for pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. His bloopers, bad pick for VP, and his vicious negative campaign against Obama have all come back to bite him right in the ass. What happened to the McCain of 2 years ago? If he still existed, he would be beaten Obama in a landslide.

3) The fact that the era of Rovian politics has finally ended. Those who dare to repeat Rove's tactics in the future have not learned from history, and history was certainly made today.
That is exactly what my husband and I have been saying. They want to make fun of his job as a community organizer, and yet they couldn't get their act together. It's comical.
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

Fact check for factual inaccuracies in this thread:

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2 years ago Survey USA did the very first poll on a McCain-Obama matchup. Here is what it looked like:

If the election were held that day, Obama would have carried his home state of Illinois, Hawaii, and the District of Columbia, while McCain would have carried everything else.
First off, is there a link to this fantasy survey; because two years ago, McCain was all but believed to be in the toilet and not a factor in the Republican primary.


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This map speaks volumes to:

1) The fact that Obama was able to organize one hell of a ground game, beat his primary opponents handily, and then put the Republican nominee on the defensive. Win or lose, Obama has shown a lot of skill. Ironically, McCain and Palin rapped his experience as a community organizer, while it is exactly that very skill that put Obama where he is today, and most probably in the White House in January.
First off, he hardly beat Hillary handily. I don’t know what parallel universe you inhabit, but Hillary probably beat Obama had the elections in two states not been so terribly messed up by the inept DNC and not counted all the votes.

Obama has not shown any skill. In an election that was all but the Democrats to lose, he has spent enormous unprecedented sums of money to BUY this election and the ONLY thing that currently made this a REAL race was the recent meltdown of Wall Street which has NOTHING to do with his campaign.

The REALITY is that with ALL that the Democrats have going for them, angst about the economy, an unpopular Republican President and an unpopular war, unprecedented campaign donations that have exceeded even what was spent by BOTH Presidential candidates in the last election and a media that has obviously been in the tank for an Obama Presidency, he still could lose it.

Obama is where he is today because the Liberal elite had decided that he was an acceptable black candidate who looks and acts more white than black; unlike the Jesse Jackson campaign of the past or the great Reverend Al Sharpton.

Obama is a post turtle who has been elevated way above his own pay grade by a Liberal elite who has determined that this should be their unprecedented black candidacy and have done everything they can to drag his sorry ass across the finish line.

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This map speaks volumes to:

2) The fact that McCain could have been so inept, in spite of the fact that Democrats are notorious for pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. His bloopers, bad pick for VP, and his vicious negative campaign against Obama have all come back to bite him right in the ass. What happened to the McCain of 2 years ago? If he still existed, he would be beaten Obama in a landslide.
No facts here. The negative campaign against Palin pales in comparison to anything the McCain campaign used against Obama.

McCain, being a decent man, has disallowed any ads that tie him to his racist bigot pastor of over 20 years and has denounced anyone who has used racism or bigotry in their comments about Obama.

You’re better at miming DNC talking points than making a credible point about McCain’s campaign. What is amazing is that McCain, who is not liked by his base, has made this election as close as it is.

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This map speaks volumes to:

3) The fact that the era of Rovian politics has finally ended. Those who dare to repeat Rove's tactics in the future have not learned from history, and history was certainly made today.
What the hell is a Rovian tactic? This again speaks more to denial than it does to any factual assertion.

This must be like that mythical “Bush Doctrine” Liberals like to whine about.

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This map speaks volumes to:
This map speaks volumes about your inability to post a thread that has any credible facts to support it.

While the votes are still being cast and haven’t even begun to be counted, you have already determined McCain has lost; how profound.

Here is why Obama’s campaign even had the slightest chances of winning; spending VAST sums of money, $650 million to buy an election; a Wallstreet meltdown which had nothing to do with either campaign; it is also due the desperate attempts by a mainstream media to paint McCain as inept and Palin as a moron.

The notion that this has been due to Obama’s skills as a campaigner us laughable; he is the most inept, inexperienced and most un-vetted candidate in the history of the Presidency. The ONLY reason he would have a chance to win is due to a large amount of Americans who are uninformed and believe in the failed class envy message spewed by the Democrat Party.

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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

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First off, is there a link to this fantasy survey; because two years ago, McCain was all but believed to be in the toilet and not a factor in the Republican primary.
The link to the actual Survey USA survey is here.

So much for your fact check.

Pwnage is nice. Oh, and TD........

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The link to the actual Survey USA survey is here.

So much for your fact check.

Pwnage is nice. Oh, and TD........

Carry on.
What Pwnage? My statement was more a question than a statement.

Originally Posted by Truth Detector
First off, is there a link to this fantasy survey; because two years ago, McCain was all but believed to be in the toilet and not a factor in the Republican primary.


Again, it begs the question; what is your point in using this fantasy poll?
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

Obama's reputation has only gotten better in 24 months, and McCain's has only gotten worse.
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

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Obama has not shown any skill.
that's why he's been leading every poll for for months

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Obama is where he is today because the Liberal elite had decided that he was an acceptable black candidate who looks and acts more white than black
How do "real" black people look and act? Dressed with a loincloth and eating bananas?
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

Wow, that is one hell of a prescient poll. Two years ago I wouldn't have pegged either Obama or McCain for the nomination. Nailing both is just plain impressive
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Re: What a difference 2 years makes

Wow, we have yet another siting of the bogus argument that Obama handily won the Democratic primary.

In reality, however, Obama was dragged across the finish line by the media. And why? Skin color. Plain and simple. It's very likely that Hillary would have won that primary had MI and FL been handled properly and the media had not declared Obama the winner weeks before the end of the primary season. In fact, Hillary likely would have won the popular vote among Democratic primary voters.

Now we have a man about to be elected POTUS that we know very little about and whose policies and policy statements have hardly been scrutinized.

And it's hysterical that we have someone praising Obama's community organizing skills to explain how he generated this ground-level campaign yet, we see virtually zero accomplishments as a community organizer.
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Wow, we have yet another siting of the bogus argument that Obama handily won the Democratic primary.

In reality, however, Obama was dragged across the finish line by the media. And why? Skin color. Plain and simple. It's very likely that Hillary would have won that primary had MI and FL been handled properly and the media had not declared Obama the winner weeks before the end of the primary season. In fact, Hillary likely would have won the popular vote among Democratic primary voters.

Now we have a man about to be elected POTUS that we know very little about and whose policies and policy statements have hardly been scrutinized.

And it's hysterical that we have someone praising Obama's community organizing skills to explain how he generated this ground-level campaign yet, we see virtually zero accomplishments as a community organizer.
And all this time I thought I agreed with more of Obama's views. Thanks for cluing me in JMak
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