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Old 10-24-08, 09:58 AM   #1
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Palin on Immigration Amnesty

Palin's views on Immigration Amnesty were recently revealed during an interview with Univision:

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As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?

There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?

No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They’ve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Source: Univision
So far a lot of McCain/Palin supporters are unhappy with her views on this.

According to Michelle Malkin: "We're screwed '08!"

I'm honestly curious how a lot of McCain/Palin supporters here feel about this. Do you feel that she is alienating her base?

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Old 10-24-08, 10:00 AM   #2
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

I was never able to find her views on illegal immigration, thanks for posting this. So none of the main party candidates believes in the law, shocking.
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Old 10-24-08, 10:29 AM   #3
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

I always enjoy the intellectual dishonesty revealed by journalists, whether wittingly or not.

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As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported? Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
Come on now. The issue has never been about rounding up all illegals nor has it been if you concede that you cannot round them all up that you're in favor of mass amnesty for all illegals.

This is how the media distorts issues to track with the preferred public policies. The questions they ask, the sources they rely on, the quotes they select, it's all a front for most mainstream outlets to generate their preferred narrative.

As for my thought on her position, hers is a responsible one. It recognizes the rule of law, it protects the rule of law, and it shows that she favors legal immigration (anti-amnesty folks are typically characterized as anti-immigrant) rather than rewarding illegal behavior.

I don't think many of the Republican base will disagree with her as they disagree with Bush and McCain's amnesty preference.
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Old 10-24-08, 10:40 AM   #4
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

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I always enjoy the intellectual dishonesty revealed by journalists, whether wittingly or not.

Come on now. The issue has never been about rounding up all illegals nor has it been if you concede that you cannot round them all up that you're in favor of mass amnesty for all illegals.

This is how the media distorts issues to track with the preferred public policies. The questions they ask, the sources they rely on, the quotes they select, it's all a front for most mainstream outlets to generate their preferred narrative.
Univision is a Spanish language television network in the US. You may find the questions absurd or unreasonable, but I think that there are probably a lot of Spanish speaking people who have concerns like that about this kind of stuff. I don't think that they were trying to manipulate anything here.
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

McCain was questioned about immigration by a local reporter here (Tampa) yesterday where the Hispanic vote is a crucial factor, and a bit of his infamous temper started to boil over when questioned about rounding up aliens.

http://media.tbo.com/tbo/mp3/2008/102308McCain.mp3

Neither one of them can afford to be screwing up on this issue at this stage of the game, yet it seems they both may be doing just that.
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

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Univision is a Spanish language television network in the US. You may find the questions absurd or unreasonable, but I think that there are probably a lot of Spanish speaking people who have concerns like that about this kind of stuff. I don't think that they were trying to manipulate anything here.
Maybe, maybe not. But the questions reveal a certain perspective. The questions reflected a "deport-them-all" option versus a "total amnesty" option. That's not the debate and has never been the debate.

I don't disagree that a lot of, ahem, spanish-speaking people (why the hell are they not English-speaking) are interested in this question, but the questions as posed pervert the debate and give an inaccurate impression to those watching.
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Maybe, maybe not. But the questions reveal a certain perspective. The questions reflected a "deport-them-all" option versus a "total amnesty" option. That's not the debate and has never been the debate.
I agree that it is an extreme point of view and not the reality of the situation, but I think it is a legitimate concern from their perspective. Even if the question may have been based on an absurd notion that isn't true, it isn't as if the question was so absurd that she couldn't answer.

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I don't disagree that a lot of, ahem, spanish-speaking people (why the hell are they not English-speaking) are interested in this question, but the questions as posed pervert the debate and give an inaccurate impression to those watching.
Well, the interview itself was in English, which would imply that a lot of their viewership is at least bilingual. I think the answer was far more important than the question. It didn't seem to me like she had difficulty answering the question as if the logic was too absurd to address. She answered it legitimately according to her point of view and I see nothing wrong with that. I don't think Univision had any kind of hidden agenda with the question. I think they realized that a lot of their viewership has had that concern and they wanted to address it.
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Re: Palin on Immigration Amnesty

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I agree that it is an extreme point of view and not the reality of the situation, but I think it is a legitimate concern from their perspective. Even if the question may have been based on an absurd notion that isn't true, it isn't as if the question was so absurd that she couldn't answer.
But she did answer and I thought she answered well acknowledging the absurdity of rounding up illegals.

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It didn't seem to me like she had difficulty answering the question as if the logic was too absurd to address. She answered it legitimately according to her point of view and I see nothing wrong with that. I don't think Univision had any kind of hidden agenda with the question. I think they realized that a lot of their viewership has had that concern and they wanted to address it.
That viewers might have shared that concern is ridiculous, well, unless their media failed to do its duty and inform viewers. And as you already know, I would argue that the media failed that duty as people still believe that opponents of illegal immigration are really anti-immigration and seek to round up tens of millions of illegal immigrants.
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