TheHonestTruth

These politicians are corrupt, lying, scumbags. They dont even promise much that would accomplish anything....even in their fake promises!!


How dumb is the average American that we can keep voting for the SAME people year after year. Republicans and Democrats are all one big party! The elections are a charade for the public. They use culturally divisive issues to divide the ignorant voters into groups and they keep up this corrupt scheme we know as government. We have the illusion of a democracy and thats what keeps them in power.


Vote for anything besides the Republicrats, or you're a tool of people much smarter than you'll ever be. And thats sad, cuz these people are Grade A morons!

TheHonestTruth

I think alot of it revolves around the corrupt relationship between government and the corporate, mainstream media.

(for those who dont know about corporate media) See a handful of massive corporations control the media. These corporations own many, many of the largest and most well known companies in the nation. Thus these companies contribute massive amounts of money to the re-election campaigns to BOTH parties. This allows them to cover all the bases, regardless of which candidate wins. This is why we hear about the Campaign Finance System corrupting the hell out of this country. So the corporations get favors because they get them elected, and in turn the mainstream media pumps up this hyperpartisan nonsense and plays the elections like a horserace. This helps people to buy into the charade. Its corrupt, its undemocratic, and political scholars have been saying this since the 70's and especially the 80's. It makes me sick how blind people can be!

TheHonestTruth

This thread is way over most of your heads, unfortunately.

josh

I agree about the convenient hegemony. When you look there is little difference between the two main parties.

Old and wise

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TheHonestTruth

We are a nation of mindless drones controlled by the media. This level of stupidity should be a crime.

JOHNYJ

We need as strong third party. Or some Patriotic grass roots movement has to take over the democratic party. returning it to all the people.
The two parties are too alike and the democrats have abandoned many Americans.

TheHonestTruth

Both parties have abandoned their basic principles and the common man in America. They keep selling us out the highest bidder.


They work so closely together that their differences aren't worth mentioning.

Its a charade because people dont think about how corrupt they are. Its a charade because Republicans are supposed to get us less government and less taxes but they only create more and more. Democrats were supposed to represent blue collar intrests. They just keep taking more money for themselves and keep screwing the common man to give special intrests and high powered industries more favors. Most people are consumed by the divisive cultural issues they dangle in front of stupid people that really wont change no matter which party gets elected (like abortion and gay marriage for example).

FinnMacCool

Perhaps its because people think voting for an independent party would make no difference?

Heres an idea. Form an online colation of sorts and have all on there agree to vote for a party of your choosing. Hey, it could happen. WEll maybe not, but I can only pray.

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TheHonestTruth

Theres a few major reasons why people are discouraged by the institutions we have to squash third parties. The wasted vote concept is used to the republicrats advantage. We can blame the government itself for supressing third parties and their potential to influence politics. We have laws and institutions set up to squash their already slim chances.

I'll break it down:

The electoral college is set up so that only a majority (or a plurality) will win the actual votes that get you elected. Therefore 3rd party candidates that get say 20% of the vote will not have any gains made in the political process. You have to win an entire state to get any real votes, so this basically discounts the effect of the cumulative vote that would help encourage the main parties to mesh with some 3rd party ideas to recapture those votes. But since anything below a majority/plurality doesn't count at all, the main parties have little or no incentive. Therefore 3rd parties and their ideas are unfairly shut out.

Federal campaign finance laws match (double in effect) the campaign expenses of the main two parties, but not for third parties. These laws were passed in recent history to squash the third party.

The CPD is a group of multinational corporation heads who run the debates. Two people mangage the thing at the top, One is a republican one is a democrat. Since Ross Perot was in the debates in 92 and won 19% of the popular vote, they haven't let a 3rd party candidate in the elections. They are now closed to anyone outside of the two major parties.

The corporate media also helps the fiasco. They are major corporations who donate to the main parties. This is why our government is corrupt. Follow the money. This is why corporate media ignores new ideas from 3rd parties and doesn't even mention them during election season.