macklin

it seems to be that by using child support as a creative reason we have recreated slavery.

let me explain through an example. Imagine a man falls behind on child support for two months. After only two months, he may be forced to go to jail for six months. Yet this seems pointless because while in jail he doesn't provide money for ex wife and child anyway. The jail time doesn't help anyone. The jail time only helps the corporations that advocate putting men in jail for child support. In jail they are then 'allowed' to work, to make numerous products: playing cards, toilets, car parts, engines, tables, chairs. They are even allowed to work as telemarketers for phone companies, all while making 19 cents an hour.

So there was a smoke screen put up... the smoke screen is that the corporations are pretending to do it all for the children, but they are really doing it all for themselves.

So someone may respond to me... you can't speak against child support that is anti-feminist, that is sexist. EXACTLY.

If a corporation were to say, hey, let's put males in jail and then get slave labor out of them, everyone would say .... booo that's slavery.

But if a corporations says, hey, lets put males in jail as a punishment for child support, to teach them a lesson ... you say hurray feminism.

But the women and children don't benefit. They are actually worse off. The corporation benefits.

The fourtenth amendment says, no one should be forced to perform labor accept those duly processed by law..

So if we just creatively figure out ways to duly process people, we can make them into slaves.

Oh, one last thing... poor BLACK males are the group mostly likely to be pursued and placed in jail for child support statistically. They round up SOME white males and VERY FEW females also, just so it doesn't look TOO MUCH LIKE SLAVERY.

I could be wrong on this, but I have explained this to maybe sixty people and about 55 says, "Yeah that sounds like slavery to me."

What do you think???

My personal response to this POTENTIAL slavery is that I have no kids and I have gotten a vasectomy, because freedom is more important than children to me, and I would only be potentially breeding more males to be potential slaves.

here is how it becomes life long. Once in jail for six months, the slave comes out and has six months to catch up on back child support or GO BACK TO JAIL. Almost ALL, about 85 percent who go to jail once don't catch up and in six months go back. Thus a nearly twenty year cycle of slavery exists. But even after the child is grown, the child support is in arrears and is still enforced to the mother, thus, even if the child is twenty, he may have to go through this cycle for another six to ten years if he owes enough.

Creative Slavery at it's finest.

Korimyr the Rat

It's pretty much exactly what we should have expected the moment we started privatizing our prisons.

The fact that we continually find newer and easier ways to put people in prison to extract slave labor from them-- and continually cut actual rehabiliation services-- is a natural extension of this.

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macklin

tell me more about the privitization of prisons.... I am not too familair with when that happened, could you give me some refereneces?

Korimyr the Rat

Here's a good place to start:
Private prison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, allowing prisoners to be used as a captive labor supply for less than minimum wage predates the use of private prisons-- heh, and people complain about immigrants lowering our wages.

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macklin

Prisoners are making corporate products at a rate of 22 cents an hour. If the average worker makes fifteen, this means that corporations are reaping 60 prisoners labor for the price of one. That's HUGE profit.

Here's the best, or rather worst, part . . . the corporations fund organizations that create TOUGH ON CRIME laws so that even more people can be put in prison for minor things...

But here's an even better point. Prisons are putting other industries out of buiness. Furniture companies are being put out of business because they can't compete with the prices, low prices, of prison output. That's astounding... that's mind-boggling... that we are really recreating a legal version of slavery ... but we are calling tough on crime.

macklin

Who are we? What have we become?

Korimyr the Rat

Nothing I care to be associated with any more. If this thread isn't ignored, and you start hearing some of the justifications of these practices... you will see why.

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macklin

what does that mean. Does 'not wanting to be associated with it anymore' mean that you are going to or have already moved out of the country... just curious, because I am thinking of moving out of the country, maybe to some place in Europe or even Australia. I just don't feel any love and harmony and togetherness in the United States, rather I just feel hatred, anger, struggle, and the urge to dominate, control, and manipulate others coming from every angle. My childhood interpretation was that the united states was a beautiful place.... now its just a dirty game of pick up basketball with some shady players.

Korimyr the Rat

My family is here, and my girlfriend's family is here. I'm not going anywhere.

But I have no more love for this place. The values that I was taught this country stood for are dead, and were probably dead long before I was born. The people are, on average, degenerate, uneducated, and boorish-- and are bound and determined to ensure that each successive generation is more so.

There are assuredly better countries to live in, but I have no more connection-- legally or spiritually-- to them than I do to this one, and everything that matters to me is here. So I have little choice but to sit it out, look after my family, and hope that when this ugly behemoth of a country dies, something I can believe in will crawl out of the ashes.

I'd recommend Brazil. The path to citizenship is easy and short, especially if you have money you can invest in starting a business. Unless you can prove ancestry, most of Europe will not give you citizenship.

I see it, too... my problem is that the people aren't players. They're pawns, and they will bloody-mindedly follow their chosen leaders no matter how thoroughly and how blatantly they are betrayed.

Just reading the "opinions" of some of the people on this forum-- and the members here are considerably better than the Average Joe-- makes me want to walk outside and set everything on fire.

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Hugh_Akston

Show me one case where this has happened.

I think you're stretching a wee bit here. This thread probably belongs in the Conspiracy theory forum instead of the economics forum.

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