macklin

I am creating a GATHERING POINT of all the information I can find 1 so that people who don't want to debate can find the accrued information at one point and 2 so that my potential debator will have the same EVIDENCE that i have in the potential debate which I hope to start in another thread which I tried to do but no one took the challenge.

Are you up for the challenge?

The views on this thread keep going up and up, and people keep IM ing me saying, wow that's interesting, tell me more ... so I'm telling people more..

I'm doing the legwork labor to present the whole story. You don't mind if I GIVE YOU all the evidence I KNOW so it is a completely fair debate almost like TRUTH ON TRIAL, isn't that a benevolent rather than malevolent act on my part...

I am seeking the TRUTH not the winning of the DEBATE. But I feel that if I debate as hard as I possibly can I'll find the truth, some one will deliver it to me in some bold-eyed epiphany moment when it all makes sense. Right now it's kind of fuzzy still. I'm chipping away of the scupltor's block of information.

Simon W. Moon

The quantity of info is immaterial to your quest at this point. You are having real problems processing the information. You are making multiple logical errors. Adding more info will not fix these errors.

As is, it's a manic train wreck of thread.

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"The barbarous custom of having men beaten who are suspected of having important secrets to reveal must be abolished. It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile."
- Napoleon Bonaparte to Berthier 11 Nov 1798 Napoleon on the Art of War

macklin

[QUOTE=macklin;1057778412]okay, my connection and views to this do not come from 'white' america. I spoke to about thirty 'black' males about how they got into prison and what they thought of the system. this led my interest. Usually, they are overly targeted for minor things, car searches, traffic tickets, dui s, obviously this was poeticaly displayed in the movie Crash. So they are overly spotlighted as being both black and male, then overly searched... whites almost never have their cars searched. So a small amount of weed, or a knife too long garners them a visit to jail in which they cannot afford to bail out.

They do have the option to work in jail, but that is because they are coerced in the direction. If you work in jail you get more of everything, respect, freedom from the guards, amenities in the jail cell, freedom outside. So going along with the guest slave worker program means you can indeed be treated better.

They actually have been caught killing prisoners in jails. Just don't assume it doesn't happen. In California, prison guards put two males against each other in a gladiator style fight to the death and then killed the winner. Look it up... I think it's called Conavan Prison or something very close to that.

The person that asked me to prove it. I am proving it by the revolving door system of guys in my apartment building.... Once they are behind they can never catch up. And there is even felony level child support, once one owes in the thousands of dollars. I'll supply the link for that one and the guards killing their own slaves.

Pennsylvania and California now have hush laws, meaning the prisoners and not allowed to be interviewed by the media once they are in jail... So if you re and average guy and you are mistakenly arrested, tried, and convicted ... you can't even tell your story to the meda, so that the media can help the 'real' criminal.

I also tried to figure out why the women's rate of incareration has skyrocketed in the past ten years. Are women worse now than twenty years ago? That's debatable. But the rate of arrests and convictions of females has doubled the rate of male incarceraton. The reasons ... too many males in jail, means a disproportionate amount of unattached females out of jail ... so put them in jail also so that they don't complain about not enough men to marry, not enough men to date. If 1 in 80 males are in jail, but as it was only 1 in 400 females were in jail, but now it's 1 in 150 females are in jail, that would have been alot of extra females without male companions... who may protest all the missing men.... so put the women in jail along side the men....

This who it works. A corporation is granted the right to start a prison by the state... the state then pays the corporation for each and every prisoner say two thousand a month per prisoner to house them feed them and keep them out of society, then the corporation sells there labor to other corporations often to corporations that they also own. So Prison Inc, sells prison labor to Furniture Inc. then the males make furniture for Furniture. Inc. Throughout the nation furnitrue factories are going out of business because they cannot compete with the prison system.

In an interveiw one claimed, "this prison system is a gold mine." For the price of one worker in a normal society we get 40 to 60 prison workers. So you say, how does this benefit the state.

Okay, look at this. One worker may produce 3000 in revenue a month, but 50 workers generate 150 000 in revenue for that same month. Tax on 3000 is 1000, the system wouldn't work. But tax on 150 000 in income is 50,000. So by investing 2 000 per worker over 50 workers is 100,000 into the prison to house and feed workers, the very next month the state gets 50,000 in taxes back. By doing this each worker doesn't cost 1,000 a month to the state, each worker costs 500 a month to the state but it wasn't designed to help the state it was designed to help???? GE, victoria secret, ATT ... all the companies that use this system. It alleviates the states burden so it gets popular acceptance. But looky here, it not only benfits corporations, it's mind boggling.

If Victoria Secret's hires one worker to make underwear. 12 dollars an hour 100 panties and hour. 100 x 20, 2000 an hour of revenue. Now for 12 dollars you can get 40 prisoner/slaves to do the same work... 80,000 of revenue for 12 dollars worth of salary. That's astronomical...

Someone else said that it was conspiracy theorish... ok... is the fourtenth amendment a conspiracy theory ... it states no one should be forced to do slave labor accept those convicted of a crime....

I'll post that too....

The person that argued that just two months behind is not right... ok... car reposes happen after two months of non-payment. It's the same theory, two months is long enough to establish a habit or patter. After two months the phone calls start and the threatening letters start. The males has one month to catch up or its time to go to the pokey.

If you really want proof of this you can call five guys in my apartment building, I'll seriously organize a way for you to talk to them.

I'll also let you talk to the military officer/professor educated from harvard named jeff who was behind by 10 thousand because his wife left without telling him where she was going, then he got a letter saying pay ten thousand or go to jail.... after ten months. So at some point between two months and ten months the actual enforcement of prison happens.

If you don't believe me LOOK it up. People tell me to post it, but I think it's like the teacher making a student look up a word, I am leading you in the right direction... the truth ... you put the effort out to find... that way it will make a lasting impression.... but I will post a few of the things... at the botto m of the page.

go to jail?
Child Support

this claims three months is the enforcement time in that persons state
How much back due child support is owed to go to jail? on Yedda - People. Sharing. Knowledge.

Once child support is considered contempt, it is to the discretion of the judge, yet 3000 is the popular amount. If you owe 500 and 6 months behind ... three thousand is 6 months of behind for you, but if you owe 1000 a month 3000 is only three months behind for that person
Can non-custodial parents go to jail after falling behind on - JustAnswer

this guy gets twenty years for being 30,000 behind yet he wasn't working at all during the time. he was on food stamps taking care of his mother. But the court will not work backward to forgive his past missed payments, while at the same time the wife is making 90 000 a year. She is putting the screws to this guy just for fun, even though she doesn't need it. Consider the average househould makes between 40 and 60 thousands a year. And consider that at 90 000 30% is only one year of effort for her, but he works roofing and 30% of his income to reach 30,000 for him might be five years worth of labor. In this situation, I would honestly say, listen, he was taking care of his mother... that's worth something to society... if he didin't that mother would have to pay someone else to take care of her, probably one to two thousand a month for in home care ...
20 Years in Prison for Failing to Pay Child Support? - Blogger News Network

Now listen 20 years in prison for 30,000 is a complete sin. 20 years for one years worth of income, There are thousands of people that are behind on student loans, that have 120,000 dollars in studnet loans. They are not being put in jail for 20 years. I know a guy that let 9000 in students go for ten years and become 20,000 in student loans from interest. He didn't go to jial, they took his tax returns for three years straight and he paid the rest off.

late on studnet loans? tax returns. Late on chiild support? prison.

How come men who owe child support go to jail while women who owe child support do not? - Yahoo! Answers
this claims indeed someone was punished after not paying child support but for just one night, and that was after only one month being late.

Why do women that owe child support not get arrested? - Yahoo! Answers
this claims women don't go to jail besides that one night stint above

this one makes a good pont that I had not considered...

Finally, in Massachusetts by statute in the 19th Century, the grounds for divorce were tried by a jury. Today, not only are the grounds for divorce not tried by a jury, but also whether someone has willfully failed to pay what is now called "child support" is not tried by a jury. Men are being imprisoned without the benefit of a jury trial. Juries are far less likely to find that a father has willfully not desired to pay child support, and a fundamental right dating back to the Magna Charta has been obliterated.
Something is Terribly Wrong With Our Child Support System

this points out something that I didn't know... the lawyers and the court take a percentage of the cut

Quote:

Child Support is a joke and so are the replies of these braindead "Feminazis"....Child Support is a big business which only lines the District Attorneys, Lawyers, and District courts pockets....ask any woman who gets child support if she receives the full amount or same amount of money as what its stated on paper she is to receive each month....the answer is always no...The D.A. pockets their cut and tosses her whatever they feel will hold her over til the next month, often giving her sum b.s. excuse when women try to see where the rest of their money is...... Then women always say if u dont like it, goto court, fight fight fight....but, to goto court u need to spend money on a "GOOD LAWYER" which isnt cheap and how are u going to afford one after already paying sum rediculous amount of child support, and still have to worry about rent, house and car notes , food, and god forbid if u are married, SUPPORTING YOUR OWN GODDAMN FAMILY.... and when u take time off work u arent being payed for the day, often to go sit in a goddamn court house all day and get nothing done, only to be told to come back next week...if u are employed, how long are u gonna remain employed when u are now missing all these days from work to go "Fight"...man, u crazy idiotic feminist b-----s can kiss my a---s...CHILD SUPPORT IS AS BIG A JOKE AS THE PROHIBITON WAS!!!!!!!!

this makes it sound like it is my VOICE but this is the actual quote from the person on the site, didn't want to sound too angry. I'm repositing this to clarify......

macklin

listen, I am not harassing you or even targeting you. I am continuing this for all the people that have showed interest in it... I don't want to sound rude, but if you are dissatisfied with the thread you are allowed to simply ignore it... it is not against you.

Again, not to be rude.... but you have returned now to comment on it ... so this means that you are one of the people that are interested in it ... right?

I didn't know how to use the "sub-quote" mechanism so some of the stuff was quotes from the listed link and some of it was my words.

So some of what was next to a link was another's quotes ... if you are angry at me, it is possible that you angry at what some of those links included.

Never have I been personal abusive to anyone hear...

Calling it a train wreck as you have said ... ok? I could make it more organized but EVIDENCE ON A TABLE IN A TRIAL is not a train wreck, I am just giving to EVERYONE all that I can figure out ... that's not malicious

metreon

There are many ways in which the ordinary working of the judicial process produces a verdict and remedy that seems to be consistent with the letter of the law but in violation with moral or common sensibility. Bewilderment about a judicial outcome is nothing new.

Unfortunately compliance with the law, or failing that, enforcement of judicial edicts, has historically been by threat, threat of penalty, imprisonment or worse. The legal process by definition tends to not be very creative or progressive in the interpretation of its duty.

If you think law needs to be changed, then vote for people who articulate fairness better, and who are committed to reforming bad law. You still have the liberty to vote, don't you? If so, then you are not a slave yet.

macklin

I am not YET ... but many men who are in jail are, or who have had felony child support charges are, and those who have had their passports denied are ... all at least partially enslaved, trapped, thwarted, frustrated, harassed, abused, emotionally enflamed, physically abused (in prison).

So why wait for my yet to come around to me.... When YET comes I'll wish I had stopped the process sooner.

This is a famous poem

I'm not going to wait for them to come for me... I'll fight now.

They eroded our freedoms under child support
They eroded our right to privacy and captured our bank accounts
They took eight of our rights in the bill of rights away in the p atriot act.
They are imprisoning us in record numbers.
They are re-enslaving the blacks every day.
(Poor, lower middle class) men are becoming second class citizens.
Women even though claimed as the benefactors of recent legal moves, are unhappier now than they have been for the past forty years.

Only corporations, the rich, the government itself, and the military are thriving.

all other parts of our society are eroding.

Simon W. Moon

I was just trying to help you out because you seem sincere in your desires.
Point taken. You don't want nay help that's not praise.
I'll leave you to your own devices.

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"The barbarous custom of having men beaten who are suspected of having important secrets to reveal must be abolished. It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile."
- Napoleon Bonaparte to Berthier 11 Nov 1798 Napoleon on the Art of War

macklin

Here's the money shot. This is the guy that I was talking about.

He didn't live with the child.
He is not the genetic father.
He never met the child.
He only dated the mother, never married her.

This is him ... nearly crying in court ... because he started his OWN family with his OWN wife and his OWN daughter. He owes 10,000 in back support and 305 a month.

The system is so adroit and so clever that it is taking a father's time and money AWAY FROM HIS DAUGHTER and giving to to some other guy's daughter. WOW.

"Sir, we know you are a good guy and we know you are raising your own daughter, but we are going to put you in jail because you are not willing to raise someone else's child."


YouTube - Florida man owes $10,000 for child who's not his

Here's the News Article

Florida man owes $10,000 for child who's not his - CNN.com

This is a crime against common decency...

REWARD A MOTHER FOR BEING PROMISCUOUS

ALLOW FREEDOM FOR THE MALE WHO SLIPPED HIS SPERM AND RAN OFF

PENALIZE THE HONEST MAN WHO STARTED HIS OWN FAMILY....

MAKE AN HONEST MAN PAY THE DECEPTIVE FEMALE AND MAKE AN HONEST MAN PAY FOR THE IRRESPONSIBLE MAN'S CHILD

OH, AND THEN DEPRIVE THE HONEST MAN'S CHILD BY TAKING HOUSEHOLD MONEY AWAY FROM HER AND GIVING IT TO THE DECEPTIVE WOMAN

Man blood is boiling right now.............

Watch the clip from 27 sec to 32, then watrch it again, then watch it again, then watch it one more time ... then say .... IS THIS AMERICA. THIS IS WHAT OUR LEGAL SYSTEM DOES TO HONEST HARDWORKING MEN.....

I don't know... maybe I am engineered with more empathy, more sympathy, or simply more caring but I couldn't do this to someone, I couldn't be that judge doing that to him.... I just .... I'm to frustrated to write any more .....

macklin

Females are permitted to have sex and then have the freedom to choose abortion.

Males are permitted to have sex and (don't have the rights) to deny birth of the child, or to be removed from the financial obligation of the child.

YouTube - CHILD SUPPORT FRAUD/ROE VS WADE4MEN

macklin

A women invents a baby to get child support.

YouTube - Phantom Baby Part 1