Debate Politics Forums forum
Go Back   Debate Politics Forums > Debate Politics Forum > Archives



 
 
LinkBack (2) Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-20-08, 02:42 PM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1
Guru

 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Last Seen: Today 07:26 PM
Posts: 2,587
Thanks: 935
Thanked 293 Times in 193 Posts
Lean: Independent
Gender: Male
Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Link
Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof - Full Comment

I have always thought that 'Glabal Warming' was merely to allow for Tax increases as well as permitting people like Al Gore to become even wealthier than they already are.
It is quite true that the Northern Arctic Ice Cap is receding as well as Glacial melts throughout the World, but how much of this is due to the actions of mankind as opposed to a natural cycle is debatable.
For myself the increase in Vulcanism seems to be a far greater cause of events as opposed to whatever man does.
This is not meant to say that Mankind's actions are not causing a detrimental effect on our planet.
In my mind the actions of Mankind have been poisoning the Planet for hundreds of years.
Already vast swathes of our Oceans are undergoing animal destruction the like of which has not been detected since the die out of the Dinosaurs, eventually this die out will affect us to the point where, if nothing is done, we shall go the way they went.
Simply because we poison the food chain.
jujuman13 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 10-20-08, 04:51 PM   #2
Navy Veteran

 
MrVicchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Last Seen: Today 02:48 PM
Location: San Antonio Texas
Posts: 8,100
Thanks: 987
Thanked 2,586 Times in 1,480 Posts
Lean: Very Conservative
Gender: Male

US Navy:  I am a ten year Veteran of the US Navy. I got out in Aug of 2005 as an E-5 AG2(AW). 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof


Quote:
For nearly 30 years, Professor Christy has been in charge of NASA's eight weather satellites that take more than 300,000 temperature readings daily around the globe. In a paper co-written with Dr. Douglass, he concludes that while manmade emissions may be having a slight impact, "variations in global temperatures since 1978 ... cannot be attributed to carbon dioxide."

Moreover, while the chart below was not produced by Douglass and Christy, it was produced using their data and it clearly shows that in the past four years -- the period corresponding to reduced solar activity -- all of the rise in global temperatures since 1979 has disappeared.

It may be that more global warming doubters are surfacing because there just isn't any global warming.
Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof - Full Comment


Yeah, thank God the truth is becoming more obvious. I'm sure we'll hear this guy is an idiot and all those scientist listed are on the payroll of Exxon, but we know what bs that is.
__________________
Both of our PC's died. I am using a 2004-5 era Mac. It's SLOW. So if you see a TYPO in my posts, forgive it.
Cause this stupid POS sux.
MrVicchio is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 10-22-08, 10:45 AM   #3
Slayer of the DP Newsbot
Dungeon Master

 
danarhea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Last Seen: Today 09:06 PM
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 18,202
Thanks: 3,309
Thanked 7,010 Times in 3,382 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male

Dungeon Master:  Thank you. 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Sheesh. Another quasi-scientist denies man-made global warming. You know, back in the 1960's, interest groups and their shills dragged out a whole slew of quasi-scientists (and paid them well) during the tobacco hearings in Congress. Guess what they all said......

Repeat after me.

"Nicotine is not addictive."
__________________
Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2012

http://danarhea.blogspot.com
danarhea is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 10-22-08, 10:56 AM   #4
Sage

 
UtahBill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Last Seen: Today 12:00 AM
Location: Peoria, AZ
Posts: 7,681
Thanks: 1,101
Thanked 2,061 Times in 1,387 Posts
Lean: Moderate
Gender: Male

US Navy:  12.5 years active duty, 10 years Reserves. 
Total Awards: 1

Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Quote:
Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
Sheesh. Another quasi-scientist denies man-made global warming. You know, back in the 1960's, interest groups and their shills dragged out a whole slew of quasi-scientists (and paid them well) during the tobacco hearings in Congress. Guess what they all said......

Repeat after me.

"Nicotine is not addictive."
but it does take the lead out of your pencil....which is no longer an issue now that we have Viagra..
__________________
Education is expensive, ignorance is costly.

Each generation should have more opportunities than the last, but not at the expense of the next.
UtahBill is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 10-22-08, 10:59 AM   #5
Norville Rogers

 
Kernel Sanders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Last Seen: Today 12:36 PM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 3,380
Thanks: 2,160
Thanked 1,717 Times in 905 Posts
Gender: Male
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Quote:
Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
I have always thought that 'Glabal Warming' was merely to allow for Tax increases as well as permitting people like Al Gore to become even wealthier than they already are.
Wow - that's quite a plan. Any word on how they get all those pesky middle class scientists on board?
Kernel Sanders is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 11-12-08, 04:00 PM   #6
Guru

 
Gill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Last Seen: 03-16-10 03:48 PM
Location: The Derby City
Posts: 4,380
Thanks: 439
Thanked 742 Times in 513 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Quote:
Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
Sheesh. Another quasi-scientist denies man-made global warming. You know, back in the 1960's, interest groups and their shills dragged out a whole slew of quasi-scientists (and paid them well) during the tobacco hearings in Congress. Guess what they all said......

Repeat after me.

"Nicotine is not addictive."
Yeah, and I bet he made up all that temperature data in Mr. V's chart too, right??

__________________
There is so much unforced variability in the system which we can’t predict — the chaotic component of the climate system — which is not predictable beyond two weeks, even theoretically.
Gavin Schmidt, NASA GISS
Gill is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 11-13-08, 09:45 AM   #7
Student
 
Heretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Last Seen: 07-08-09 01:45 PM
Posts: 224
Thanks: 16
Thanked 73 Times in 46 Posts
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

No, but I think his trendline is a bit dubious. The same data set, with a 5-year and 10-year moving average, even a linear trendline, clearly paint a different picture.



The rest of the article didn't help much, either.
__________________
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. -- Dr. Albert Bartlett

Last edited by Heretic; 11-13-08 at 09:47 AM.
Heretic is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 11-13-08, 09:54 AM   #8
Guru

 
Gill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Last Seen: 03-16-10 03:48 PM
Location: The Derby City
Posts: 4,380
Thanks: 439
Thanked 742 Times in 513 Posts
Lean: Slightly Conservative
Gender: Male
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heretic View Post
No, but I think his trendline is a bit dubious. The same data set, with a 5-year and 10-year moving average, even a linear trendline, clearly paint a different picture.



The rest of the article didn't help much, either.
The trend line depends entirely on what moving average is used.
__________________
There is so much unforced variability in the system which we can’t predict — the chaotic component of the climate system — which is not predictable beyond two weeks, even theoretically.
Gavin Schmidt, NASA GISS
Gill is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 11-13-08, 10:00 AM   #9
Student
 
Heretic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Last Seen: 07-08-09 01:45 PM
Posts: 224
Thanks: 16
Thanked 73 Times in 46 Posts
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Gunter's chart didn't use a moving average.
__________________
The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Heretic is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
Old 11-16-08, 02:22 PM   #10
Advisor
 
rebelbuc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Last Seen: Today 11:10 AM
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 509
Thanks: 784
Thanked 212 Times in 132 Posts
Lean: Conservative
Gender: Male
Re: Lorne Gunter: Thirty years of warmer temperatures go poof

Quote:
Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
Sheesh. Another quasi-scientist denies man-made global warming. You know, back in the 1960's, interest groups and their shills dragged out a whole slew of quasi-scientists (and paid them well) during the tobacco hearings in Congress. Guess what they all said......

Repeat after me.

"Nicotine is not addictive."
During my recent debate with jfuh my research led me to discover three pertinent classes of scientists that I believe should lead one to question AGW as a consensual, non-debatable fact:
(1) Knowledgeable scientists, seemingly dedicated, whose studies have questioned IPCC assertions about AGW and in some cases have suffered economic loss from not "knuckling under" to politically correct views. The AGW Kool Aid drinkers' assertion of "oil company funding" is either total crap with these scientists or not substantial when compared to the loss of government grants.
(2) Extremely competent scientists, leaders in their fields, who either initially disagreed with the IPCC findings of AGW or later came to those conclusions after giving the IPCC their chance to prove the AGW point.
(3) Scientists who participated in the IPCC review process and have broken ranks with the IPCC after observing their tactics over a period of years. These numbers are growing and should be especially alarming to objective AGW believers.

I hope to dig up more info on this as time permits. Of course, some choose to stick their heads in the sand!
__________________
"The Earth has a fever!"... I guess it does - political correctness and socialism are making the planet sick!

Last edited by rebelbuc; 11-16-08 at 02:24 PM.
rebelbuc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/38241-lorne-gunter-thirty-years-warmer-temperatures-go-poof.html
Posted By For Type Date
Lorne Gunter and the “National Pest” Debunked … Again Greenfyre’s This thread Refback 07-08-09 11:06 AM
About « Greenfyre’s This thread Refback 11-13-08 10:52 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Debate Politics.com Copyright ©2004-2009
no new posts