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Old 10-16-08, 09:25 AM   #41
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So.. what's your point?


"It just isn't". Classic.
About as classic as "it just is."
I had no point regarding your inane question, what was your point?
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He never said he IS making $250 k. He said he hopes to buy the plumbing company and SOON be making $250 K.

And HE won't be making $250K, his company will. Big difference.
Companies that make $250,000 in profit are not big businesses. But I guess, if you want to stunt job growth at that level, an increase in their tax rate should do the trick.
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Since I didn't and don't suppose McCain wouldn't bring him up, nor have I indicated any such thing. Ask a question that relates to what I've said and I'll consider answering.

Your perceptions don't change the facts that $250K isn't middleclass, blue collar, or working class. It just isn't. A person may own a business that does provides working class persons to its customers, but anyone in that business making $250K or more is no longer in that realm.
Yes, you truly are one of the ones that Obama is (if you could vote) counting on to help him win. The ones who don't understand that the small business owners business is making $250k, but the owners salary itself is a far cry lower.

People like you don't understand that there's expenses, you know, like payroll, insurance, licenses etc...

Your own link shows that Joe is delinquent on back taxes as it is.
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Companies that make $250,000 in profit are not big businesses. But I guess, if you want to stunt job growth at that level, an increase in their tax rate should do the trick.
Individuals making over $250K, not businesses making over $250K. Also we are talking about taxable income, not many small businesses actually make over $250K unless they have really bad accountants and/or foolishly stay a sole proprietorship instead of incorporating and paying oneself a salary.
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Individuals making over $250K, not businesses making over $250K. Also we are talking about taxable income, not many small businesses actually make over $250K unless they have really bad accountants and/or foolishly stay a sole proprietorship instead of incorporating and paying oneself a salary.
Umm, alot of small businesses make over $250,000 in profit. I worked with pretty much nothing but small businesses and had access to their books. My step father is President of a small insurance agency and they have profits well over $250,000. Maybe little Ma&Pop coffee shops aren't making alot of money, but alot of small businesses make over $250,000.

Besides, if these small businesses are able to "hide" away all these profits to exclude them from taxation, then how effective is the Obama/Biden platform going to be in raising said taxes on businesses making over $250,000(250k has been the magic number for both business and individuals for their campaign)? My guess is that they won't, and they'll have to get it from where they always get it after the elections are over. Middle class families.
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About as classic as "it just is."
Except that no one has made that argument.

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I had no point regarding your inane question, what was your point?
You must have missed it. Not sure how.
You're attacking the messager because you know you cannot defend against the message.
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Umm, alot of small businesses make over $250,000 in profit. I worked with pretty much nothing but small businesses and had access to their books. My step father is President of a small insurance agency and they have profits well over $250,000. Maybe little Ma&Pop coffee shops aren't making alot of money, but alot of small businesses make over $250,000.

Besides, if these small businesses are able to "hide" away all these profits to exclude them from taxation, then how effective is the Obama/Biden platform going to be in raising said taxes on businesses making over $250,000(250k has been the magic number for both business and individuals for their campaign)? My guess is that they won't, and they'll have to get it from where they always get it after the elections are over. Middle class families.
Please define "a lot of small businesses," preferrably with %'s, and provide a link.
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...., not many small businesses actually make over $250K unless they have really bad accountants and/or foolishly stay a sole proprietorship instead of incorporating and paying oneself a salary.
Please define "not many small businesses," preferrably with %'s, and provide a link.
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No, no I don't. This is pretty damn horrible actually.
I'm being comletely genuine (as opposed to passive-aggressive) when I say I respect you standing up to this kind of garbage that trashes a private citizen because he dared to ask Obama a question and the answer wasn't favorable to Obama.
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Re: Joe the Plumber - post your truths here

Here is a surprise....

According to Ben Smith at Politico, Joe the Plumber is not registered to vote. Is this true, or is this a hit job on Joe the Plumber?
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