Kick off Debate 3!

aps · 10-16-08, 02:46 AM

I thought McCain looked angry for most of the debate. He acted like an asshole, which many of you think is a good thing. I, personally, think it made him look like a jerk. It merely confirmed my thoughts that he doesn't have the temperment to be President. Did anyone hear him breathing here and there? I'm sure he was having to say to himself, "John, calm down."

My personal opinion is that Obama won and not by a little bit. I was stunned at how angry McCain was. He was nervous as well. Watch the debate again and watch HIM the entire time. His eyes would widen, blink hard, show shock at stupid times, etc. Just when I thought I couldn't get anymore disgusted with him, I find out, I can. Yeah, I would have liked to have seen Obama get tougher on McCain, but he exuded class throughout the debate. McCain did not. He lied about his own campaign ads.

I was happy with Obama's explanation of Ayers.

This debate was not a vote changer, IMHO.

CaptainCourtesy · 10-16-08, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aps

I thought McCain looked angry for most of the debate. He acted like an asshole, which many of you think is a good thing. I, personally, think it made him look like a jerk. It merely confirmed my thoughts that he doesn't have the temperment to be President. Did anyone hear him breathing here and there? I'm sure he was having to say to himself, "John, calm down."

My personal opinion is that Obama won and not by a little bit. I was stunned at how angry McCain was. He was nervous as well. Watch the debate again and watch HIM the entire time. His eyes would widen, blink hard, show shock at stupid times, etc. Just when I thought I couldn't get anymore disgusted with him, I find out, I can. Yeah, I would have liked to have seen Obama get tougher on McCain, but he exuded class throughout the debate. McCain did not. He lied about his own campaign ads.

I was happy with Obama's explanation of Ayers.

This debate was not a vote changer, IMHO.

This is precisely the way I saw it, aps. I thought Obama's explanation of Ayers and health care was excellent, and repudiated anything that McCain claimed. Though not a vote changer, this was Obama's best performance.

jfuh · 10-16-08, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy

This is precisely the way I saw it, aps. I thought Obama's explanation of Ayers and health care was excellent, and repudiated anything that McCain claimed. Though not a vote changer, this was Obama's best performance.

I think this was also McCain's best performance to appeal to voters yet. Unfortunately as I've consistently been saying, he's only appealing to his base - again.
I watched the debate again, the second time around - wow, Obama deffinetely won this one. Nailed it on healthcare, nailed it on education, nailed it on economy and nailed McCain back on the stupid ayers guilt by associations.

jfuh · 10-16-08, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by don'ttreadonme

Why doesn't he spell out what the "health" of the mother means? He is clearly misleading people here so he doesn't have to explain his immoral position wrt abortion rights. McCain rightly pointed out that this is the buzz word for pro-abortion folks. "Health" can mean she might be a little depressed if she's "forced" to carry her baby to term.

Do you think Obama is a centrist on abortion? Does NARAL?

I don't speak for everyone, but then I've never heard health to refer to depression or some other psychological health. As much as you wish to disqualify psychological disorders as non-health they actually are and more than you think.
Back to the health however to me it seemed quite clear that Obama was referring to when the mother's life is threatened or there would be some other physical ailment that would jepordize her health should she carry to term.
So yes, I deffinetely think Obama is centrist, he supports a ban on late term abortions with exception to when the mother's health is at risk.
If you don't think that is centrist can you please tell me what would be a centrist position?

aps · 10-16-08, 05:00 AM

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OBAMA: With respect to partial-birth abortion, I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there's an exception for the mother's health and life, and this did not contain that exception.

And I attempted, as many have in the past, of including that so that it is constitutional. And that was rejected, and that's why I voted present, because I'm willing to support a ban on late-term abortions as long as we have that exception.

The last point I want to make on the issue of abortion. This is an issue that -- look, it divides us. And in some ways, it may be difficult to -- to reconcile the two views.

But there surely is some common ground when both those who believe in choice and those who are opposed to abortion can come together and say, "We should try to prevent unintended pregnancies by providing appropriate education to our youth, communicating that sexuality is sacred and that they should not be engaged in cavalier activity, and providing options for adoption, and helping single mothers if they want to choose to keep the baby."

Those are all things that we put in the Democratic platform for the first time this year, and I think that's where we can find some common ground, because nobody's pro-abortion. I think it's always a tragic situation.

We should try to reduce these circumstances.

SCHIEFFER: Let's give Senator McCain a short response...

MCCAIN: Just again...

SCHIEFFER: ... and then...

MCCAIN: Just again, the example of the eloquence of Senator Obama. He's health for the mother. You know, that's been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything.

That's the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, "health."

Third Presidential Debate - McCain and Obama - Transcript - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times

I'm thrilled about this exchange. Any pro-choice woman would be disgusted at McCain's belittling the "health" exception when it comes to abortion. It is a RARE occurrence that the woman's health would be involved, but most pro-choice women would support that exception. I hope it caused only more Independent women to say, "Screw you, John McCain."

Felicity · 10-16-08, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by aps

I'm thrilled about this exchange. Any pro-choice woman would be disgusted at McCain's belittling the "health" exception when it comes to abortion. It is a RARE occurrence that the woman's health would be involved, but most pro-choice women would support that exception. I hope it caused only more Independent women to say, "Screw you, John McCain."

Roe vs. Bolton makes "health" so broad as to be meaningless. Pregnancy will cause me stretch marks that I don't want would be acceptable reason if you can find a doctor to do it and Killer Tiller in Kansas would do it. And since medical records are private (as they should be) a baby any age can legally be killed due to the "health" caveat from Bolton. There is no medically "necessary" reason for a D&X.

McCain was exactly right on this.

Felicity · 10-16-08, 05:19 AM

I do wish McCain would have mentioned the fact of Doe vs. Bolton. Likewise, I wish he would have mentioned that the reason Obama's excuse that the reason he argued against providing medical services to a baby that survived an abortion is because there were already laws in place is totally misleading because that law that supposedly protects the newborn was rendered moot by a legal action.

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http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...post1057756933

in 1993, this "Consent Decree" (cited below) in effect nullifies any protection that 720 ILCS 510/6 may have provided.

CONSENT DECREE of 1993: ACLU of Illinois - 404 Error

So--the argument that the protections were already legally in place is a flat out LIE. And I, personally, don't believe for a single second that Obama wasn't/isn't aware of that fact.

McCain brought out the argument, made the point, but didn't close the lid on it. He did that on a couple of different issues.

Summerwind · 10-16-08, 05:21 AM

File not found. Your link is bogus to ACLU of Illinois - 404 Error

Felicity · 10-16-08, 05:21 AM

OH MAN!!!!

I see my link doesn't work anymore. Okay...the paranoid side of me sees the liberal machine at work. It work on the 5th...how convenient that the site just got "redisigned."

Felicity · 10-16-08, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

File not found. Your link is bogus to ACLU of Illinois - 404 Error

It's not bogus. It's been silenced. I'll see if I can find some other way. It was a pdf file.

10-16-08, 02:46 AM	#211
aps Passionate Join Date: Sep 2005 Last Seen: Today 10:21 AM Posts: 15,096 Thanks: 5,787 Thanked 2,735 Times in 1,756 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender: Total Awards: 1	Re: Kick off Debate 3! I thought McCain looked angry for most of the debate. He acted like an asshole, which many of you think is a good thing. I, personally, think it made him look like a jerk. It merely confirmed my thoughts that he doesn't have the temperment to be President. Did anyone hear him breathing here and there? I'm sure he was having to say to himself, "John, calm down." My personal opinion is that Obama won and not by a little bit. I was stunned at how angry McCain was. He was nervous as well. Watch the debate again and watch HIM the entire time. His eyes would widen, blink hard, show shock at stupid times, etc. Just when I thought I couldn't get anymore disgusted with him, I find out, I can. Yeah, I would have liked to have seen Obama get tougher on McCain, but he exuded class throughout the debate. McCain did not. He lied about his own campaign ads. I was happy with Obama's explanation of Ayers. This debate was not a vote changer, IMHO.
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Felicity Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Last Seen: 10-06-09 01:03 PM Posts: 11,946 Thanks: 1,658 Thanked 1,722 Times in 1,322 Posts Total Awards: 2	Re: Kick off Debate 3! OH MAN!!!! I see my link doesn't work anymore. Okay...the paranoid side of me sees the liberal machine at work. It work on the 5th...how convenient that the site just got "redisigned."

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