Gibberish

No clear winner discussion wise but McCain indeed lost because he failed to clear the bar set for him. Obama was sitting on his bar before the debate began.

This positioning is a direct result of Obama's success and McCain's failures in running a successful campaign.

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Gibberish

That's definitely a negative for McCain this whole time. Obama has much more eloquent oratory and is far more naturally charismatic then McCain. If Obama or McCain either say anything of substance is another matter though.

Anyway, this is exactly why I try not to take their frustrated looks and eye rolling into consideration during debates. Though it does come into consideration when choosing who I want to represent my country.

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jfuh

Quite sad, same could be said for Carter vs Regan, Regan was by far more charismatic and more charming than Carter.

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winston53660

I think it was a draw too. I think McCain attempted to make a point but in the end I think both were just going through the motions like Hulk Hogan does these days.

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Summerwind

The thing that no one seems to realize about Joe the Plumber . . . if he's buying a plumbing business for $250K. . . he ain't going to be making that much in profit. . . even if he makes that much in gross sales, he won't have that much profit. . . and if he's smart and he gets close to making that much profit, he should incorporate and pay himself a salary of $249,900. Clearly Joe the Plumber, and McCain, and Obama are accounting and tax stupid.

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don'ttreadonme

Why doesn't he spell out what the "health" of the mother means? He is clearly misleading people here so he doesn't have to explain his immoral position wrt abortion rights. McCain rightly pointed out that this is the buzz word for pro-abortion folks. "Health" can mean she might be a little depressed if she's "forced" to carry her baby to term.

Do you think Obama is a centrist on abortion? Does NARAL?

Ethereal

Forget McCain, I could care less about him. My point is that you're voting for someone who has no intention of cutting spending. Either your principles mean something or they don't.

It can be cut and dry if people would stop making it so damned complicated. Start scaling back on welfare, return to a non-interventionist foreign policy, liberalize our markets and cut taxes so America can regain competitiveness in the global economy, stop monetizing debt and manipulating interest rates, decriminalize and tax victimless crimes, adhere to the Constitution. See? Quite simple.

Furthemore, you are missing the point yet again. In light of drastic spending cuts there is no indication that McCain (or anyone else for that matter) would actually cut spending for the special needs community. This was merely an opportunity for Obama to do what he does best; pander and fuel resentment amongst an ignorant populace. Not that "Republicans" aren't guilty of this as well but nobody does it with quite the same finesse as Comrade Obama.

Well, that depends on which form of currency you find more advantageous towards realizing your agenda; money or power. Possessing purview over government programs, although not as profitable as defense contracting, carries with it a great deal of power and influence - especially when one considers all the armed thugs they have at their disposal.

UtahBill

Very true, the great advantage of self employment is that you can manipulate your taxable income all over the place....if you don't know how to do that, hire an accountant to explain it to you...

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Summerwind

Joe the plumber isn't even registered to vote!

This is just too funny. I wonder if the talk/morning shows will be asking him about this tomorrow in his 15 minutes of fame?

Ben Smith's Blog: The Joe file - Politico.com

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MDM

A lot of people are arguing over who "won" the debate. These types of debates don't have winners. It's not like one debater had one argument and the other had the counter-argument and they debated back and forth until one side provided more evidence for their side..

Forget about who won the debate tonight. How do you all think the debate will affect these analyses:

History of meta-analysis since April 1

Seems like in the next 3 weeks, John McCain will have to sway all 7 'battleground' states *and* take a Democrat-leaning state such as Colorado in order to win the necessary 270 electoral votes.

Can he do it?